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Poll: Republicans reject evolution...

Stupidity is pretty much deliberate ignorance. We have a halfway decent public education system in this country. Anybody that doesn't want to be ignorant doesn't have to be.
 
fishbob said:
Stupidity is pretty much deliberate ignorance. We have a halfway decent public education system in this country. Anybody that doesn't want to be ignorant doesn't have to be.
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Sorry, wrong. We HAD a half-way decent public education system in this country.
 
bigred said:
Sorry, wrong. We HAD a half-way decent public education system in this country.
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Sorry, wrong. We used to have a decent public education system. Now it is only halfway decent. In either case, you don't have to be ignorant if you don't really want to be.
 
headscratcher4 said:
“No doubt evolutionists will argue that this is significant proof that Independents and Democrats are smarter than Republicans. Of course, it's interesting to note that those presumably less intelligent Republicans are also wealthier, happier, are more likely to possess a college degree and live longer than their more evolutionarily-correct Democratic counterparts.”
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Translation: I'm going to totally ignore the fact that it's the poorer republicans (or democrats) without colledge degrees that are most likely to believe in creationism in favour of a number of articifial correlations that favour creationism,
 
BPSCG said:
If a group of Dems and a group of Repubs are identical except in that the Repubs don't believe in evolution and the Dems do, and the Repubs are as a group wealthier, then it follows that there is a correlation between belief in evolution and wealth (without getting into which is the cause and which the effect).

Since belief in creationism is a sign of ignorance and/or stupidity, it doesn't make sense that of two otherwise identical groups, the stupider one should be the wealthier one.

So my conclusion is that Dems must be stupid in other ways, a conclusion apparently shared here.
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A reasonable conclusion. Now all you need is the experiment part to support it.
 
BPSCG said:
If a group of Dems and a group of Repubs are identical except in that the Repubs don't believe in evolution and the Dems do, and the Repubs are as a group wealthier, then it follows that there is a correlation between belief in evolution and wealth (without getting into which is the cause and which the effect).

Since belief in creationism is a sign of ignorance and/or stupidity, it doesn't make sense that of two otherwise identical groups, the stupider one should be the wealthier one.

So my conclusion is that Dems must be stupid in other ways, a conclusion apparently shared here.
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Mashuna said:
A reasonable conclusion. Now all you need is the experiment part to support it.
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Or I can accept the unreasonable alternative conclusion - that of two otherwise identical groups, the stupider one should be the wealthier one.
 
Or, allow me to throw this fish in the pond ... that religious beliefs regarding creationism/evolution have little bearing on one's financial success in life. Yes, either may give one emotional support and/or "inner" strength, but what counts most in being successful comes from the person's accumulated knowledge, behavior, experience and intelligence in the field they are in -- and their ability to use it accordingly.
 
Just thinking said:
Or, allow me to throw this fish in the pond ... that religious beliefs regarding creationism/evolution have little bearing on one's financial success in life. Yes, either may give one emotional support and/or "inner" strength, but what counts most in being successful comes from the person's accumulated knowledge, behavior, experience and intelligence in the field they are in -- and their ability to use it accordingly.
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That's probably a lot closer to the truth than anything else that's been posted here. Thanks.
 
Just thinking said:
Or, allow me to throw this fish in the pond ... that religious beliefs regarding creationism/evolution have little bearing on one's financial success in life. Yes, either may give one emotional support and/or "inner" strength, but what counts most in being successful comes from the person's accumulated knowledge, behavior, experience and intelligence in the field they are in -- and their ability to use it accordingly.
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Wow, you've kind of omited other keys to success, such as the socio-economic status of one's parents - the only consistently correlated factor to academic success, because people from wealthier backgrounds tend to do better than people from poorer backgrounds.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Wow, you've kind of omitted other keys to success, such as the socio-economic status of one's parents - the only consistently correlated factor to academic success, because people from wealthier backgrounds tend to do better than people from poorer backgrounds.
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Wow ... and you seemed to have left out as to how their parents got wealthy! I have no problem with families passing down wealth to future generations -- but it had to start somewhere, and I'll wager that in most cases it started with hard work, thoughtful investing and keen business methodology. Plus, it's very easy for some to foolishly take said wealth from their parents (uncles, grandparents, state lotteries) and be broke within a decade or less. Translation => It still takes work and all the other qualities I mentioned earlier to maintain and/or increase this passed-on wealth.
 
BPSCG said:
Because of that phrase, "all other things being equal." Standard scientific method when running an experiment:
  • Get two groups to study;
  • Make sure that they are identical in every significant respect except one;
  • Run your study/experiment and examine your results. The differences are due to the one trait in which the two groups differed. That's called a control.
If two groups of people are identical in every significant respect but one, that one significant respect accounts for their differences.
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Okay, yeah, I understood how you reached that conclusion. That's why the second sentence of my post was:

Steven Howard said:
Is there an established correlation between knowledge of the basic facts of biology and happiness, wealth, success, health, and "all those things?"
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Which correlation you still seem to be taking as axiomatic.

Also you seem to be taking for granted the "all other things being equal" part. I doubt you'll find any studies or polls showing that the only two statistically significant differences between Democrats and Republicans are wealth and creationism. I could be wrong.

If a group of Dems and a group of Repubs are identical except in that the Repubs don't believe in evolution and the Dems do, and the Repubs are as a group wealthier, then it follows that there is a correlation between belief in evolution and wealth (without getting into which is the cause and which the effect).
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As you know, correlation does not imply causation.
 
Just thinking said:
Wow ... and you seemed to have left out as to how their parents got wealthy! I have no problem with families passing down wealth to future generations -- but it had to start somewhere, and I'll wager that in most cases it started with hard work, thoughtful investing and keen business methodology. Plus, it's very easy for some to foolishly take said wealth from their parents (uncles, grandparents, state lotteries) and be broke within a decade or less. Translation => It still takes work and all the other qualities I mentioned earlier to maintain and/or increase this passed-on wealth.
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You must invite me to the dreamworld you inhabit some day. The United States became rich from stealing resource rich land from Indians and kidnapping and enslaving Afrcians. I'm sure that there are some rich families who owe their wealth to faultless and industrious inventors and shrewd business accumen. There's far more whose money derives from monstrous insitutous that are a shameful part of our past, no matter how nice the people in those institutions were.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
The United States became rich from stealing resource rich land from Indians and kidnapping and enslaving Afrcians. I'm sure that there are some rich families who owe their wealth to faultless and industrious inventors and shrewd business accumen. There's far more whose money derives from monstrous insitutous that are a shameful part of our past, no matter how nice the people in those institutions were.
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So your hypothesis is that wealth correlates less with intelligence or education than with fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency? *

This might make sense given that ruthless efficiency seems to be a common fundamentalist trait.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
You must invite me to the dreamworld you inhabit some day. The United States became rich from stealing resource rich land from Indians and kidnapping and enslaving Afrcians.
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We finished stealing land from Indians and enslaving Africans almost 150 years ago. This raises a series of questions:
  1. Are you suggesting that the US hasn't gotten wealthier since then?
  2. Do you believe that the total wealth in the US is a fixed amount, that it is the same today as it was in 1907 and 1807 and 1707 and 1492 and 1492 BC and 149,200 BC?
  3. Do you believe that land and property should be redistibuted so that everyone has exactly the same amount of land and property?
  4. If so, can I have the south of France (after the French have all been moved to the Gobi Desert)?
 
ImaginalDisc said:
You must invite me to the dreamworld you inhabit some day. The United States became rich from stealing resource rich land from Indians and kidnapping and enslaving Afrcians. I'm sure that there are some rich families who owe their wealth to faultless and industrious inventors and shrewd business accumen. There's far more whose money derives from monstrous insitutous that are a shameful part of our past, no matter how nice the people in those institutions were.
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So, they should give their money back?
 
Thesis: Stupid people are more likely to be greedy. Wealth therefore is no indicator of intelligence. Which leaves you pretty much high and dry, Beeps.
 
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