Police handcuffing 5-year-old
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RandFan
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That would be fine if it was, in fact, a dumb argument. Can you explain why it is? Or do you just "feel" that it is like the this issue with the handcuffs. You can't explain why you think it is wrong it just "seems" wrong.Ex Lion Tamer said:
That is specious reasoning. Hey, I don't mind that you make mistakes but I would hope that you could learn from them. Don't take this personal. Tell me why it is a dumb answer. A smilie is a poor substitute for reason. It is only emotional and proves nothing. You can do better.
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Yes, and this is how woo-woos end their arguments. It is OUR fault that you can't demonstrate why you are correct. We should just "understand". But that is just wrong. An argument is "a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition"Ex Lion Tamer said:
Your proposition is that the handcuffing of this child is egregiously wrong.
Why? What are your series of statements to establish this proposition?
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Yes, that would be nice.Ex Lion Tamer said:
So you are saying that it is an extreme response to the situation? I think that has been established. I think many if not most of us agree. But that doesn't prove that it was "egregious" and worthy of outrage. Many things are wrong but don't require outrage. Why does this one?
Again, you are simply restating that with which we all agree with. If you continue to make this kind of an argument then you are making a straw man.
Do you have anything else?
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Most of us have said that we would not want that. Most of us agree that there is an issue that needs to be addressed. You don't seem able to grasp the problem here. It is not whether this was right or wrong but whether it was an outrageous situation. I don't think it is and I'm waiting for proof from someone, anyone to change my mind.Ex Lion Tamer said:
Again, this is a straw man argument. Set up so you can easily knock it down.
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Ex Lion Tamer said:
Eh, well I feel totally ignored. Yes, the school needs a policy in place so that these kids can be handled. Why doesn't someone call the school and ask them about that? Maybe that's why they did this? To show how their hands are tied so they have to call the police.
Why doesn't the school have a time out area in to confine the kid to? Why don't they tell her she will be excluded from recess or confined to a desk while the rest of the class enjoys a game?
Why don't they have any other action to take rather than calling the cops?
Thing is, it's better to offer the kid the only consequence available than let her off with just a pat on the head. If that only consequence available is handcuffs, then so be it. It's better she get the handcuffs than you lose your job and end up in jail.
So yes, changes need to be made. Yet no, there really is no harm done with handcuffs either.
So if we all agree that this was excessive, and that the school shouldn't have called the cops, why is this thread still going?
You seem to be very busy finding all kinds of justifications, instead of just saying that this was an unnecessary dumb thing to do.
Well, I'm outta here. Gotta eat.
Cheerio-chichin!
You seem to be very busy finding all kinds of justifications, instead of just saying that this was an unnecessary dumb thing to do.
Well, I'm outta here. Gotta eat.
Cheerio-chichin!
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This is in effect gainsaying . It is not argument. But if this is the best you can do then so be it.Ex Lion Tamer said:Brilliant argumentation, Einstein! I'm floored....
Wait, here it comes...
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Perhaps there isn't any free area for a "time out" area. My youngest son's school was built before the baby boom/Orange County boom. It's housing 600 students in a school built to handle 400. There is simply no room for a time out area.
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Because what is wrong is not necassarily what is outrageous. Most of us don't think the action is outrageous or even that big of a deal.Ex Lion Tamer said:
No, I'm trying to explain why there are reasons why this is not outrageous.
Whatever.
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Hey!
So you don't find it outrageous that a school called the cops and that the cops came along and decided to handcuff a 5 year old girl?
Okee dokee, Mr. law & order. Boy, I hope you don't have kids!
Sorry couldn't let this pass...
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More proof that you didn't read the first 4 pages of the thread. This is rapidly becoming my pet peeve (never had one before), people who insist on posting to threads that they can't be bothered reading the first half or even more of…Ex Lion Tamer said:
How can you possibly expect to have an intelligent discussion when you won't be bothered to familiarize yourself with what people have said????
Oh, but pardon me for expecting logic in a skeptical forum…
Ex Lion Tamer said:
Again, we asked for specifics of how the girl was harmed. All you, and claused-minded, can offer is your feelings that there was harm, and just repeatings of the events that took place, but still no specific examples of the actual harm done.
I wonder why?
Show us where someone said that the police should be called each time there is trouble with a kid. If you can't (and you can't), it is your strawman. Have fun with it!