Police and Psychics

andy2001 said:
Cliff Madison from Portland police department seemed happy with the results of the remote viewing to find his natural mother.

http://www.ummo.cc/Media/Asahi.rm
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This link seems to download RealPlayer, but then won't open the file.
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However his website seems to clear up the issue. This is a self-proclaimed psychic who seems to follow the usual pattern. His website is a treasure trove of woo.
My life is a miracle surrounded by miracles and until
recently, I have done my best to keep this a secret. I
am a complex synesthete born into a family of
psychics. I also have the gift of psychic functioning
along with a spiritual understanding of the occult
that few shall ever hope to have. I know exactly what
the future is and what we can collectively do to
create the best possible outcome.
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Yeah, that's exactly the type of objective source we're looking for.:rolleyes:
 
andy2001 said:
I've just tested it the link. I used right click and then save target as. This will downlaod it to your harddisc. It worked for me when downloaded in this way if it still does'nt work maybe you need to also download realplayer one free at

http://www.real.com/freeplayer/?rppr=rnwk
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Okay, that worked.

But I am still less than impressed. It was an infomercial touting the Japanese equivalent of the "Psychic Hotline".
 
Tricky said:

Okay, that worked.

But I am still less than impressed. It was an infomercial touting the Japanese equivalent of the "Psychic Hotline".
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So you think this was all staged and did not show Cliff Madison from protland police?

If you think it did not show Cliff Madison from the portland police do you not see a resemblance with the person on the video and this link to the portland police website?

http://www.portlandonline.com/police/index.cfm?c=dafga

Or maybe you think it did show this 21 year veteran of the Bureau but think he was part of a a devious scam to make Aaron Donahue look like a real remote veiwer?

If so have you come up with a motive? and do you plan on complaining to the portland police about this?
 
andy2001 said:

So you think this was all staged and did not show Cliff Madison from protland police?
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I don't know. It certainly was scripted to support the infomercial (Note the phone number always present in the screen. ) If this happend in the US, then where is the US account of it? Why did Cliff Madison have to go to Japan to get his "true story" told? It all sounds very suspicious.
andy2001 said:
Or maybe you think it did show this 21 year veteran of the Bureau but think he was part of a a devious scam to make Aaron Donahue look like a real remote veiwer?
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Yep. They were trying to advertise their "psychic service". I don't believe that Cliff Madison is above trying to make a buck, and he might even go to Japan to do it. Do you believe everything that advertisers say?

But if Aaron wanted to make some good money, he should do his stuff for the Randi Million. Heck, he knows "exactly what the future is", so making a few predictions for JREF shold be a piece of cake, right?

andy2001 said:
If so have you come up with a motive? and do you plan on complaining to the portland police about this?
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Motive? Just dirty old money, Andy. People do strange things for cash. As far as complaining to the Portland Police, well, I cannot see that the PP have any sort of affiliation with this whatsoever. This looks like a completely private matter from a person who happens to be a police officer. Heck, there's not even a crime here. Why is this even a police matter?

Maybe if you could show me the documents where the Portland Police department has certified Aaron as a "genuine psychic" I might place a little more credence in these claims.
 
"Why did Cliff Madison have to go to Japan to get his "true story" told? It all sounds very suspicious."

Well since his mother was in Japan I think it's very obvious he would need to goto Japan if he wanted to meet her so I can't see what your case is there.


"Motive? Just dirty old money, Andy. People do strange things for cash. As far as complaining to the Portland Police, well, I cannot see that the PP have any sort of affiliation with this whatsoever. This looks like a completely private matter from a person who happens to be a police officer. Heck, there's not even a crime here. Why is this even a police matter?"

I've never said this was an offical police matter I was just saying if you think a public figure such as Cliff Madison is involved in this sort of deception as you seem to think he is you may feel morally obliged to point this out to his employers as your such an anti woo woo.


"But if Aaron wanted to make some good money, he should do his stuff for the Randi Million. Heck, he knows "exactly what the future is", so making a few predictions for JREF shold be a piece of cake, right?"


I'm sure Aaron can make enough money to meet his needs without the help of Randi and Aaron like me would allready know the Randi Million is a fraud anyway.

In a new twist Rupert Murdoch is also involved in the supposed conspiracy to make Aaron Donahue look like a real remote viewer.
Take a look at the video from Fox.

http://www.ummo.cc/Media/insearch.mov
 
andy2001 said:
"Why did Cliff Madison have to go to Japan to get his "true story" told? It all sounds very suspicious."

Well since his mother was in Japan I think it's very obvious he would need to goto Japan if he wanted to meet her so I can't see what your case is there.


"Motive? Just dirty old money, Andy. People do strange things for cash. As far as complaining to the Portland Police, well, I cannot see that the PP have any sort of affiliation with this whatsoever. This looks like a completely private matter from a person who happens to be a police officer. Heck, there's not even a crime here. Why is this even a police matter?"

I've never said this was an offical police matter I was just saying if you think a public figure such as Cliff Madison is involved in this sort of deception as you seem to think he is you may feel morally obliged to point this out to his employers as your such an anti woo woo.


"But if Aaron wanted to make some good money, he should do his stuff for the Randi Million. Heck, he knows "exactly what the future is", so making a few predictions for JREF shold be a piece of cake, right?"


I'm sure Aaron can make enough money to meet his needs without the help of Randi and Aaron like me would allready know the Randi Million is a fraud anyway.http://www.ummo.cc/Media/insearch.mov
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You are joking, right?

edit to say: I watched the video. Same old bullsh!t.
 
"You are joking, right?"

No


"edit to say: I watched the video. Same old bullsh!t."

What an outstandingly well thought out response.
 
andy2001 said:
I've never said this was an offical police matter .
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Yes you did, Andy. Right here:
andy2001 [/i]... and do you plan on complaining to the portland police about this?[/quote] Perhaps you don't realize what you said said:
I'm sure Aaron can make enough money to meet his needs without the help of Randi and Aaron like me would allready know the Randi Million is a fraud anyway.
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Would you like to support that claim with some evidence? Considering that you believe infomercials to be indicative of truth, I'm dubious that you have any idea what fraud actually is.

So please explain how you know that the Randi Million is a fraud. I'm sure all of us are eager to know where you get this marvellous information. From psychics, perhaps?
 
andy2001 said:
"You are joking, right?"

No


"edit to say: I watched the video. Same old bullsh!t."

What an outstandingly well thought out response.
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Give me some well thought out evidence, and I'll reconsider.
 
"Yes you did, Andy. Right here"

Just becouse I suggest you complain to the portland police does not mean I'm saying the film made for the for tv of the remote viewers finding Cliffs real mum was done for the portland police,
all I'm saying is as such public servants are expected to have unquestionable integrity the portland police may need to know if somone on there staff is engaging in such deception. They did film part of the program in his office as well.


"If they are uninvolved, then your mention that Cliff is a "Portland Policeman" is completely beside the point. This has nothing to do with a crime and Cliff might just as well be a "Portland Accountant". This type of fallacious argument is called "appeal to authority", suggesting that because Cliff is a policeman, he is somehow more credible than someone of a different profession."


So lets say a jury are considering the evidence in a trial.


Example 1
Eyewitness says they saw the crime. The witness in qustion is a convicted conman mass murder and rapist.

Example 2
Eyewitness says they saw the crime. The witness in qustion is a policeman with more than 20 years of service and no criminal record.

Do you not think it would be reasonable for a jury to give more weight to example 2 than example 1?
According to your comments you would not but I think most people would so I don't think I was making a fallacious argument.


As for the Randi Million I will write more about this in my next post.
 
Andy said:
Do you not think it would be reasonable for a jury to give more weight to example 2 than example 1?
According to your comments you would not but I think most people would so I don't think I was making a fallacious argument.
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Based on their gut instincts about the two people, yes. Based on the quality of the two fellows' memories, not necessarily.

~~ Paul
 
Stumpy, is it time to admit that you were wrong about those ACPO guidelines regarding dealing with psychics?
 
Lothian said:
Troll, I have told you what they say and they prove you wrong. I have even verified my evidence. Unless you can prove me wrong I suggest that you get back under your bridge.
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?? You're Stumpy's sockpuppet?! And you have the nerve to call me a troll. :rolleyes: are you 'Hannibal' too? :con2:

You claimed there were ACPO guidelines for interviewing psychics. You said you would get the guidlines, but kept on saying something is hindering you. It's been about a year hasn't it? Of course, if you can find them, it will prove my hypothesis that the police do indeed work with psychics, and act positively on the information some of them pass on, rather than show the sort of disdain and derision which has been claimed here.

BTW, it's a shame that the Police Federation have stopped access to the very article under discussion in this thread, isn't it.
 
Originally posted by Lunatic
?? You're Stumpy's sockpuppet?!
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No, I am Lothian. If you wanted only Stumpy to answer you should have sent a PM.
Originally posted by Imbecile
And you have the nerve to call me a troll. :rolleyes:
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And you have the nerve to question the title. :rolleyes:
Originally posted by Feckwit
are you 'Hannibal' too? :con2:
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Too ? No. It is quite easy to tell who has written something just look at the name. You will see that I am Lothian. Obviously you won’t see what I write as you claim to have me on ignore, although I am beginning to suspect you have been lying again you cheeky little monkey.
Originally posted by Liar
You claimed there were ACPO guidelines for interviewing psychics. You said you would get the guidlines, but kept on saying something is hindering you. It's been about a year hasn't it?
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You are getting me mixed up again. Which part of ‘I am not Stumpy’ is giving you problems?
Originally posted by Innumerate
Of course, if you can find them, it will prove my hypothesis that the police do indeed work with psychics, and act positively on the information some of them pass on, rather than show the sort of disdain and derision which has been claimed here.
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I actually posted the relevant extract which I obtained from the guidelines. That you continue to ignore that without providing any evidence that my source was incorrect proves you are troll.
Originally posted by Robbin
BTW, it's a shame that the Police Federation have stopped access to the very article under discussion in this thread, isn't it.
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Why do you think they would want to distance themselves from a discredited report. ?
 
Lothian said:


You are getting me mixed up again. Which part of ‘I am not Stumpy’ is giving you problems?
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You answering for him. lol!
I actually posted the relevant extract which I obtained from the guidelines.
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You did?! Where? Could you post it again, below, complete with any archive identification or any other record which will help us get it confirmed with the ACPO?

BTW, don't you 'cheeky monkey' me, son. I was told about your answering for Stumps, so I had to get you out.
 
Lucianarchy said:
You did?! Where? Could you post it again, below, complete with any archive identification or any other record which will help us get it confirmed with the ACPO?
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I posted it earlier in this thread, nearly a year ago. I dare say a highly paid researcher like yourself would have no problem finding it. I posted the paragraph and sub paragraph number allowing easy verification.

I know (because you mentioned it) that you work regularly for the home office being a highly paid consultant for them. You are on first name terms with David Blunkett, he provides your references when obtaining new work. It is therefore inconceivable that you have been unable to get a copy of the guidelines from him or your other contacts.

You quote Occam as saying the simplest answer is the preferred one. In this case I have provided the reference to and quote from the guidance. You must have that guidance and can check the quote. You have not disproved my quote. The simplest solution is that you can’t because it is correct.
BTW, don't you 'cheeky monkey' me, son. I was told about your answering for Stumps, so I had to get you out.
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Yeah right, Liar.
 
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