Police and Psychics

[The Fool]

Hey luci.....
I Think you've worn those 2 links out by posting them that often...Have you checked them lately? They don't seem to exist any more.....Hey, why don't you get a police Psychic to find out what happened to them? Its obviously a conspiracy to supress the truth.

On a side issue, are your posts to usenet still getting rejected by the spam filters??

 

[Lucianarchy]

Hear, hear!

Thank you, I accept your apology.

 

[Wolverine]

These two references have still not been debunked. the Police Federation represent the rank and file police officers, those that actually *do* the work. The second comes from the BBC well known for accuracy and credibility throughout the world.

The first one is the Police Federation magazine and gives evidence from one of their detectives about how a psychic was used and hhow she scored direct hits, particularly in repsect of the nickname. To suggest that either the psychic is involved in the crime or that a secrit police conspiracy operates which gives the info to the psychics on the sly, is so stupid, that any claims to it must furnish extraordinary evidence.
http://www.polfed.org/magazine/12_2..._2001_ghost.htm

The second, demonstrates that the police indeed do use psychics to "help" with their enquiries, and is confirmed by Scotland Yard and the NCF by the BBC.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pr.../08/taro9.shtml

Both these examples come from highly credible sources, and as such prove beyond all reasonable doubt, that Hanniball and the Fool are evidently *wrong* in any claim they may have that the police don't use psychics in the UK. Ed has already confirmed that the police use psychics to "help" solve cases in the US, this evidence confirms that the same is true in the UK.

LOL For a second, I thought further posting problems with the forum had arisen... now I can see that Luci's record is stuck.

Originally posted by chessmanskeptic
We need to rely more and more on physical evidence...

So true. Speaking of which, where's the physical evidence that Cybershaman had anything to do with your gardening success or any of the other nitwit claims of which you spoke? Regardless of the fact you deleted your posts on that ludicrous thread in an effort to cover your tracks, and seem to now be making an attempt to jump on skepticism's bandwagon, your credibility meter still reads a fat zero.

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
...many who call themselves 'skeptics' here, are, in fact, pseudo-skeptics, relgious zealots, control freaks and sufferers of clinical denial

Wow Luci, I have to agree with you on this one, simply because...

Originally posted by Lucianarchy
...like myself and other fellow skeptics here...

... you made an oustandingly accurate self-diagnosis.

 

[Lucianarchy]

LOL For a second, I thought further posting problems with the forum had arisen... now I can see that Luci's record is stuck.

Those references have yet to be debunked. This is why you like to throw insults around, in the hope that the attention can be drawn away from the FACT no one has provided any more credible references than those from the BBC and The Police Federation. No flaws have been demonstrated. Repeat, *no one* has provided more credible sources other than the BBC or the Police Federation. Both demonstrate that the police work *WITH* psychics in a positive way, and *both* demonstrate that Hannibal has been mislead or misinfomed in his claim:

"They may listen to them and say "thank you", but rest assured the "prediction" is treated about as seriously as if they had come in and said they were Jesus. " - Hannibal
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[Lucianarchy]

Re: Info

I think the police should stop trying to rely on psychics for finding people. The idea is just nonsense. Why this is even debatable is out of the question. Face it, psychics are not god with finding people, and most of them are quacks in the first place. No psychic has won Randi's challenge yet!

I am a fellow skeptic, like your self. I agree, there are a lot of fraudsters and scam artists out there looking to roll a few rubes before lunch, but if you remain skeptical and look at *all* the evidence, and be honest enough and open minded enough to be skeptical of claims from wherever they come, including those who call themselves 'skeptic', then you are sometimes left with data which just won't simply be 'debunked' away by making loud shouting noises. The claim of some here is that the police

"may listen to them and say "thank you", but rest assured the "prediction" is treated about as seriously as if they had come in and said they were Jesus. " "

Which given the references from the BBC and the Police Federation - see the links at the first post in the thread - is demonstrably and quite evidently, wrong. BTW (a) there is plenty of evidence to suggest that some remote viewing works - look at the SAIC experiments and the replications by PEAR. (b) Why would anyone who understands the importance of the scientific method and independant peer review take a mere challenge? These people go to proper labs where magicians and scientists can look at these effect in an unbiased and independantly peer reviewed manner. Maybe Randi does a good job of weeding out the scammers and self deluded, but when we get to the real interesting stuff, you have to have a conjourers input *together* with independant and unbiased sound scientific methodology.

 

[De_Bunk]

Luci...

You a skeptic......dont make me laugh....

You believe anything anyone tells you....as long as it prefers the paranormal....

Skeptic my ass....you already think the paranormal exists...

 

[RichardR]

Another public service announcement again:

There is no point in engaging in debate with Lucianarchy because he/she/it simply repeats him/her/itself and ignores valid criticisms/questions he/she/it cannot answer.

 

[darling]

There is no point in engaging in debate with Lucianarchy because he/she/it simply repeats him/her/itself and ignores valid criticisms/questions he/she/it cannot answer.

... example - asking for 'credible' souces. The definition of 'credible' in this case is 'agrees with me'.

 

[Hannibal]

Thank you, I accept your apology.

What apology?

I was using humour to make a point - I was NOT expecting that to be taken as a 100% official guide to dealing with "psychics". For believing you were inteliigent enough to differentiate I apologise.

Oh....THAT one. Your welcome...good to see you recognise your own stupidity. That is the first step to curing yourself.


There is no point in engaging in debate with Lucianarchy because he/she/it simply repeats him/her/itself and ignores valid criticisms/questions he/she/it cannot answer.

Never a truer word spoken. I am now going to stop feeding this Troll. I have already proven it to be full of poop and the entire board agrees with me. The truly sad thing is this troll fails to realise what a complete joke it is seen as.

Oh to be that blissfully stupid.....

 

[Lucianarchy]

There are a lot of fraudsters and scam artists out there looking to roll a few rubes before lunch, but if you remain skeptical and look at *all* the evidence, and be honest enough and open minded enough to be skeptical of claims from wherever they come, including those who call themselves 'skeptic', then you are sometimes left with data which just won't simply be 'debunked' away by making loud shouting noises. The claim of Hannibal is that the police

"may listen to them and say "thank you", but rest assured the "prediction" is treated about as seriously as if they had come in and said they were Jesus. " "

Which given the references from the BBC and the Police Federation, (no one has provided a more credible source - see the links at the first post in the thread) Hannibal's claim is demonstrably, factualy and quite evidently, completely wrong.

 

[Hannibal]

Answered this one, won't again, shut the ◊◊◊◊ up...

Have a nice day!

 

[RonSceptic]

Luci wants an apology. Ok I am happy to provide one as follows....

A few post back I described Luci as a 'crackpot'. I realise now that the comment was totaly unfair and must have caused great distress to crackpots the world over.

So to all you crackpots out there I am truly sorry for associating you with Luci.

Luci is in a class of it's own when it comes to dimwitted naivety.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Answered this one, won't again, shut the ◊◊◊◊ up...

Have a nice day!

You haven't answered with verifiable facts at all, you've just provided your personal opinion, based on obviously limited or ill infomed data, this much is proven through the BBC and The Police Fed, and I tend to put these sources way above the perosnal opinion of someone who claims to be a copper and posts with an avatar which alludes to a serial killer!

 

[chrisjt]

"I was a member of the Jackie Poole Murder Squad throughout the original 15-month investigation. Within a few days of the incident, a colleague and I were assigned to visit 22-year old Christine Holohan at her council house in South Ruislip, after she had telephoned to offer information.Her call omitted to mention her belief that her source of information was the dead victim."

And this is the best evidence that the police do use psychics?

 

[Hannibal]

You haven't answered with verifiable facts at all, you've just provided your personal opinion, based on obviously limited or ill infomed data, this much is proven through the BBC and The Police Fed, and I tend to put these sources way above the perosnal opinion of someone who claims to be a copper and posts with an avatar which alludes to a serial killer!

Again. already answered all these points, won't again...learn to read..shut the ◊◊◊◊ up...have a nice day!

 

[Lucianarchy]

"I was a member of the Jackie Poole Murder Squad throughout the original 15-month investigation. Within a few days of the incident, a colleague and I were assigned to visit 22-year old Christine Holohan at her council house in South Ruislip, after she had telephoned to offer information.Her call omitted to mention her belief that her source of information was the dead victim."

And this is the best evidence that the police do use psychics?

No, just some of the available evidence from credible sources. Aside form accusing the woman of being involved in a joint police conspiracy or accusing her of being involved in the crime, what is your mundane explanation for her providing the correct nickname and her accuracy in reading the police officer's change of job?

 

[Hannibal]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.................................

 

[Brickroad]

The thought of me or one of my loved ones being falsely accused and convicted on evidence presented by a psychic scares the bejesus out of me, but not as much as the fact that folks like Lucianarchy would be cheering at my trial.

I'm glad that my country's judicial system is designed to protect me from such nonsense.

Hmm... I wonder if I spelled "bejesus" correctly.

 

[Ceinwyn]

You haven't answered with verifiable facts at all, you've just provided your personal opinion, based on obviously limited or ill infomed data, this much is proven through the BBC and The Police Fed, and I tend to put these sources way above the perosnal opinion of someone who claims to be a copper and posts with an avatar which alludes to a serial killer!

Wow.

I'm a newbie here, and even I realize when the bell rings and the party's over.

Lucianarchy is a troll, pure and simple. Keep replying, he'll give you more.

Why waste your time?

 

[Lothian]

No, just some of the available evidence from credible sources. Aside form accusing the woman of being involved in a joint police conspiracy or accusing her of being involved in the crime, what is your mundane explanation for her providing the correct nickname and her accuracy in reading the police officer's change of job?

I know nothing about the case but would guess luck. What is your mundane explanation for the fact that psychics could not provide useful information in respect of the two girls from Soham and numerous other cases of missing children. What is your mundane explanation for the reasons that the information that psychics produce is so vague. If the messages come from the deceased why do they not give names and addresses when the victims clearly know them. What is your mundane explanation for the fact that we insist on using Juries when according to you Psychics clearly know the answer. What is your mundane explanation for conflicting information provided by psychics. What is your mundane explanation for repeatedly posting the same trite.