Police and Psychics

[Lucianarchy]

Interesting that in the other thread Luci gripes about Ed's comment from way back, yet here he uses Ed's comment to support his claim.

During my education of Ed on his way to become a skeptic, he has chosen to behave sometimes like a child. The sort of 'repulsive' behaviour Ed is acting out is perfectly normal in some students, particularly those who find the transition to enlightenment a struggle in terms of an egocentric conflict. I reject behaviour, not the person.

His skepticism at cheking the source was to be praised, he verified the fact that the police indeed do use psychics to help them with their detection. We, and other skeptics, have already confirmed this through the Police Federation article at the beginning of this thread, we have laso established why, like 'supergrasses', the 'psychic' is kept out of any legal proceeding and only used for intelligence gathering purposes. The police do the 'solving', not the Suprgrass, or the Psychic.

 

[xouper]

As further evidence of Jeff Corey's observation that Luci is a badly written version of the AI program Eliza, here we see Luci repeating tired old assertions that have been refuted a million times before:

Lucianarchy: ... [Ed] verified the fact that the police indeed do use psychics to help them with their detection.

This is, of course, a blatant lie. Ed did no such thing. What Ed did was confirm that Hewitt continues to put an unwarranted spin on Renier's involvement with the case. Everyone who has looked at the case knows that the information given by Renier was totally wrong and did not help in any way to solve the case.

We, and other skeptics, have already confirmed this through the Police Federation article at the beginning of this thread,

Wrong again. Get some new material, Luci.

 

[Patrickt]

I spent thirty years as a police officer. When it comes to skepticism police departments seem to meet societies demographics. They have just as many true believers of various stripes as anywhere else. Two departments near me hired a psychic to help on investigations and they both were amazed at the success of the psychics. They both had lists of "hits" the psychic had made. I sat down and crossed out the ones that had been in the newspapers or on television. The true believers complained that the psychic had said he hadn't read the paper or watched television.

The items left were ludicrous. In one community with a university as the largest industry in town the psychic said the suspect would be somehow connected to the university. It turned out he drove through campus frequently and the officers who brought the psychic in counted that as a strong positive hit.

In my opinion, the officers responsible for bringing in the pyschics have a very strong investment in the psychics being correct and will do whatever they can to create a positive result.

I also knew officers who believed in alien abductions, satanic cults kidnapping children, precognitive dreams, gypsy fortune tellers. Go figure.

 

[Smalso]

Take someone who believes in psychics and is willing to fudge the evidence to make the psychics appear to be right; and who believes in "alien abductions, satanic cults kidnapping children, precognitive dreams, gypsy fortune tellers." Now give that person a badge and a gun. Scary, isn't it?

 

[Lucianarchy]

It does not alter the fact that there is clear evidence that psychics are evidently used for intelligence gathering purposes.

 

[Pyrrho]

It does not alter the fact that there is clear evidence that psychics are evidently used for intelligence gathering purposes.

The "evidence" is anecdotal and can be disregarded. If psychics have gathered anything, it's not intelligence, it's stupidity.

Psychics have failed each and every time they've been involved. All they've succeeded in doing is gathering a few headlines and pocketing undeserved fees, along with exploiting grieving, desperate people and stupid police officers.

As EdGod used to say, "Sniff test." The results speak for themselves. Psychics are not pyschic at all.

 

[chrisjt]

I watched in total disbelief and amazement as scratches appeared on the tops of Mrs. Gagliardo's hands while she performed psychometry on the bracelet of one of the missing girls. I also saw the scratches disappear!

-Detective Tom Williams, Wheeling Police Dept. Wheeling, WV

All this quote does is show how gullible Tom Williams really is. Or maybe he's just impressed by third-rate conjuring tricks.

 

[Lucianarchy]

So there we have it, folks. Wolverine, Like ex-JREF Moderator 'Ed', has contacted the police and confirmed that the police do indeed work with psychics, and do not shun them, as claimed by pseduo-skeptics.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Ugh! Look what the cat dragged in.

Bad Kitty! Bad Kitty!

 

[Wolverine]

So there we have it, folks. Wolverine, Like ex-JREF Moderator 'Ed', has contacted the police and confirmed that the police do indeed work with psychics, and do not shun them, as claimed by pseduo-skeptics.

How you're able to discern that from the correspondence, I'll never understand (nor will I understand why you felt it necessary to dredge up this thread):

E-mail from Scotland Yard
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email. My knowledge is that we do not employ psychics but if they offer suggestions we take them into consideration as we do with any evidence offered by anyone.

Email Office
Metropolitan Police Service
New Scotland Yard
London SW1H 0BG
www.met.police.uk

Go chase another ambulance.

 

[RonSceptic]

I spent over 12 years working for the Home Office assessing criminal cases, interviewing suspects, offenders and victims, in custody suites and on the streets and homes where these people live, actually *being* an expert witness, with thousands of hours of Crown Court work. Not only that, I have worked *alongside* hundreds of police officers, worked in over thirty different police stations, from all over the country, on all sorts of criminal cases, from all areas of specialism.

That's a quote from one of Luci's posts on page 5 of this thread.

If true, it's rather strange that the only evidence of psychic assistance to crime solving that Luci can point to is a hotly contested case with huge question marks over it.

You would think that Luci would list dozens of cases on the public record when a psychic has clearly provided crucial information.



Maybe Luci can tell us why no pychics have been able to contact Keith Bennet (Moors Murder victim) and find out where his body is. I'm sure he is keen to put his family out of their living hell after thiry odd years.


Or how about a chat with Suzi Lamplugh?


If psychics could speak with the dead there would be no unsolved murders.

 

[Lucianarchy]

How you're able to discern that from the correspondence, I'll never understand (nor will I understand why you felt it necessary to dredge up this thread):

As you'll note, the guy admitted to his knowledge[/] only, that psychics are not employed], yet also admits that they are used for intelligence gathering purposes like anyone else. This demonstrates that they are not shunned and treated in the dismissive way that others here claimed. Given the PolFed article and confirmation from many serving officers both here in the UK and in the US that we can now conclude that Psychics indeed do work with the police in a positive intelligence gathering role.

The reason this was "dredged" up is to remind fellow skeptics that the issue is a live one and to remind pseudo-skeptics that the issue has been reinforced with documentation and research coming from members of this forum.

 

[Lucianarchy]

How you're able to discern that from the correspondence, I'll never understand (nor will I understand why you felt it necessary to dredge up this thread):

As you'll note, the guy admitted to his knowledge only, that psychics are not employed, yet also admits that they are used for intelligence gathering purposes like anyone else. This demonstrates that they are not shunned and treated in the dismissive way that others here claimed. Given the PolFed article and confirmation from many serving officers both here in the UK and in the US that we can now conclude that Psychics indeed do work with the police in a positive intelligence gathering role.

The reason this was "dredged" up is to remind fellow skeptics that the issue is a live one and to remind pseudo-skeptics that the issue has been reinforced with documentation and research coming from members of this forum.

 

[RonSceptic]

Once is enough thank you.

 

[darling]

Hey Wolverine...

How about dashing off another email to them. I can see it now...

Potential E-mail from Scotland Yard
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your email. My knowledge is that we do not employ mental patients but if they offer suggestions we take them into consideration as we do with any evidence offered by anyone.

Email Office
Metropolitan Police Service
New Scotland Yard
London SW1H 0BG
www.met.police.uk

Then I can do a Lucianarchy and say:

As you'll note, the guy admitted to his knowledge only, that mental patients are not employed, yet also admits that they are used for intelligence gathering purposes like anyone else. This demonstrates that they are not shunned and treated in the dismissive way that others here claimed.

I kill me.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Hey Wolverine...

How about dashing off another email to them. I can see it now...

Then I can do a Lucianarchy and say:

As you'll note, the guy admitted to his knowledge only, that mental patients are not employed, yet also admits that they are used for intelligence gathering purposes like anyone else. This demonstrates that they are not shunned and treated in the dismissive way that others here claimed.

I kill me.

...Except the PolFed have not published collusive work with mental patients which produce positive outcomes. Whereas, evidently, with psychics and Supergrasses, they do.

 

[Lucianarchy]

We (thanks to wolfern and Ed), have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that psychics work in a positive manner with the police.

Case solved.

 

[TLN]

We (thanks to wolfern and Ed), have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that psychics work in a positive manner with the police.

Case solved.

Still running from me I see...

 

[Lucianarchy]

Still running from me I see...

" L'OH, OH, vedo, funzionando via, 'eh? Ingiallite i bastardi! Ritorni
qui e prenda che cosa sta venendo a voi. Morderò i vostri piedini
fuori! "

 

[LeFevre]

" L'OH, OH, vedo, funzionando via, 'eh? Ingiallite i bastardi! Ritorni
qui e prenda che cosa sta venendo a voi. Morderò i vostri piedini
fuori! "

Why do you do that? Why do you not post in English? Are you trying to make it even more difficult to communicate with others?