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Plus ca change.....pope reverts to type

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Good point.

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However, historically we never really seem learn from past mistakes...but if we could then we could theoretically develop humane ethical ways of administering science and law.
I have thought for some time now that just because people can produce babies should not automatically signify they have rights of ownership to that being.
But I do not see that as being something multitudes would agree with. Humans are very possessive about their babies, once they decide to have them...
 
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And stay tuned for this late breaking news flash, video evidence that bears poop in the woods.

oops, sorry, I think I got ninjaed on that one. No surprise.
 
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Abortion is a lot like capitalism, terrible until you compare it to the other options.
 
Here's the full text of what Francis said actually about abortion in his State of the World speech:

Peace is also threatened by every denial of human dignity, firstly the lack of access to adequate nutrition. We cannot be indifferent to those suffering from hunger, especially children, when we think of how much food is wasted every day in many parts of the world immersed in what I have often termed “the throwaway culture”. Unfortunately, what is thrown away is not only food and dispensable objects, but often human beings themselves, who are discarded as “unnecessary”. For example, it is frightful even to think there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day; children being used as soldiers, abused and killed in armed conflicts; and children being bought and sold in that terrible form of modern slavery which is human trafficking, which is a crime against humanity.
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A'isha said:
Here's the full text of what Francis said actually about abortion in his State of the World speech:
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Peace is also threatened by every denial of human dignity, firstly the lack of access to adequate nutrition. We cannot be indifferent to those suffering from hunger, especially children, when we think of how much food is wasted every day in many parts of the world immersed in what I have often termed “the throwaway culture”. Unfortunately, what is thrown away is not only food and dispensable objects, but often human beings themselves, who are discarded as “unnecessary”. For example, it is frightful even to think there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day; children being used as soldiers, abused and killed in armed conflicts; and children being bought and sold in that terrible form of modern slavery which is human trafficking, which is a crime against humanity.
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Well that shine another light on the subject...

But let us look closer. The "light of day" these potential human beings are denied isn't exactly chocolate and roses, Santa and sweetness...adding more humans to what is essentially a human created problem has not proven to be effective against the throw away society of capital consumerism.

More to the point it is simply adding sheep to the slaughter slow and painful death process.
 
To get back to the pope, I frankly think the current one is doing a good show, given the circumstances. There is a real hope that the RCC may actually move out of the medieval quagmire under this leadership. I salute that; while I hold a secular society as the goal, too much human misery is generated by an archaic church.

Hans
 
Abortion IS a very gruesome and disturbing, if necessary procedure, and using it as an alternative to contraception (something that unfortunately happens, however rarely) reflects poorly on people. So while it is firmly in the woman's right to perform one, we should not try to minimize the disturbing aspects of it (but not rub them into the minds of these women either, of course).
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Abortion IS a very gruesome and disturbing, if necessary procedure, and using it as an alternative to contraception (something that unfortunately happens, however rarely) reflects poorly on people. So while it is firmly in the woman's right to perform one, we should not try to minimize the disturbing aspects of it (but not rub them into the minds of these women either, of course).
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I cannot myself understand that logic. If they were solely the source of reproduction then yes.

Or, if it is to be that way, then men should not be made responsible for childcare costs etc.

Otherwise it puts men in a dubious position, as far as I can tell.
 
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I cannot myself understand that logic. If they were solely the source of reproduction then yes.

Or, if it is to be that way, then men should not be made responsible for childcare costs etc.

Otherwise it puts men in a dubious position, as far as I can tell.
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Men should get less of a say in abortion decisions because men don't get pregnant.
 
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Men should get less of a say in abortion decisions because men don't get pregnant.
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So then, how much less?

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Say something like..."Okay you can kill the body but I want to keep the head."?

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I mean, seriously you may as well have said 'men cannot have a say in the matter', far as I can tell.
 
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