Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Buckwheatjones, could you check back with your engineer (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1851329#post1851329) and see what his/her opinion on the new lower value for gallons on board relative to plume size be? Before we were estimating 7800-10000 gallons iirc.

ETA: And would somebody not on ignore please correct KT's assertion that 1000m = 11 football fields, when it is 9.12-9.5 football fields in length (depending on if you count endzones or not)

 

[Gravy]

Ok, you guys are going to have to do some MAJOR reconfiguring.

Have at it...

Stop stalling, Killtown. The faster you get done with this, the faster you can make amends to Val McClatchey. Remember, this has nothing to do with your criteria for her guilt. You ONLY based that on whether the photo was Photoshopped. You owe her an apology NOW.

Stop stalling and DO IT.

 

[Gravy]

Killtown, Arkan points out that you still haven't corrected your "football field" measrements.

 

[kevin]

The FDR would have indicated a fuel dump or malfunction.

Yeah, I didn't think there was, just saying it was possible. Was the pilot still a terrorist at the time of the crash? Certainly no incentive to dump fuel there....

 

[Killtown]

Stop stalling and DO IT.

No.

 

[rwguinn]

Alright, KT, you have all your factors; now dazzle us with your brilliant analysis.

So help me, if the next step of "His" experiment is to ask "Us" to do the math/calculations for him I will be ending up on his ignore list...

you will note, however, that he has the minimum fireball size lumped with the maximum time 'till picture, along with minimum wind speed and fuel load and oblique Wind direction.
Unless he plans on a Monte-Carlo study of all this (Which should yield about 81 different answers), the whole bloody thing is an exercise in ridiculous.

 

[Blue Mountain]

That isn't relevant today, because there's no way to tell how accurate the camera's clock was. However, no matter what time (or day, or year) the clock showed at the time of the photo, the FBI agents could have calculated the elapsed time between the photo and the time shown on the camera's clock when they examined it. Assuming the battery hadn't been removed or the time reset, subtracting the elapsed time from the real time would give the photo's actual time to the second.

In addition, do we know the exact time--to the second--of the jet's impact? Yes, that's probably on the flight data recorder, but how are those clocks calibrated? And do they drift appreciably?

 

[Dog Town]

Unless he plans on a Monte-Carlo study of all this (Which should yield about 81 different answers), the whole bloody thing is an exercise in ridiculous.

This whole thing is not as it appears! He has wasted to much time on this!
He has yet to show his motives to be pure! The twist has yet to be seen!

 

[Gravy]

No.

Well, there we have it. Killtown refuses to continue, and he refuses to apologize.

What do you call someone like that, Killtown? PM me and I'll tell you what we call them in Brooklyn.

 

[rwguinn]

No.

so he admits he's stalling.
[gomerpyle} Well GOO--llll-eeee. Sur-Prize, Sur-Prize![/gomerpyle]

 

[Gravy]

you will note, however, that he has the minimum fireball size lumped with the maximum time 'till picture, along with minimum wind speed and fuel load and oblique Wind direction.
Unless he plans on a Monte-Carlo study of all this (Which should yield about 81 different answers), the whole bloody thing is an exercise in ridiculous.

None of that matters to him, because he never intended to do an analysis in the first place.

 

[Killtown]

Well, there we have it. Killtown refuses to continue, and he refuses to apologize.

What do you call someone like that, Killtown? PM me and I'll tell you what we call them in Brooklyn.

The experiments not over and with your latest GREAT find that puts the fuel MUCH, MUCH lower, looks like YOU GUYS are going to have to do the apologizing soon!

 

[Gravy]

The experiments not over and with your latest GREAT find that puts the fuel MUCH, MUCH lower, looks like YOU GUYS are going to have to do the apologizing soon!

So, you are going to do the calculations?

 

[Killtown]

So, you are going to do the calculations?

You trust me to do calculations for YOUR guys estimates? I think I know the answer to that.



What a GREAT day it is today!

 

[Dr Richard]

See, now that's what I'm talking about...

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Your minimum:

-snip-

Crash to photo time lapse: 1 min

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Your maximum:

-snip-

Crash to photo time lapse: 5.3 sec


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Killtown, why does the minimum plume size have a longer time interval than the maximum?

 

[Dr Richard]

The experiments not over and with your latest GREAT find that puts the fuel MUCH, MUCH lower, looks like YOU GUYS are going to have to do the apologizing soon!

Killtown, why does the amount of fuel on the plane affect the plume size?

What is the mathmatical relationship between plume size and fuel?

 

[mortimer]

So since killtown has decided he's not going to perform the calculations, I decided to go ahead and do them, using the same forensics and calculations killtown has used. Results:

min expected plume size: about 5 football fields
max expected plume size: 15.243 football fields, about

so, get on with your apology to Val, killtown!

 

[Killtown]

Killtown, why does the minimum plume size have a longer time interval than the maximum?

Think.

 

[Killtown]

Killtown, why does the amount of fuel on the plane affect the plume size?

What is the mathmatical relationship between plume size and fuel?

Ask Buchwheatjones.

 

[Dr Richard]

Think.

I would rather you explained it please.