Some interesting information...
According to the Flight Data Recorder from UA93, it impacted the ground at about 500kts (575 MPH) in a 40 degree nose down attitude, with a 150 degree roll angle to starboard.
In addition:
1. Cabin pressure - NORMAL
2. Hydraulics - NORMAL
3. Cargo fire - NORMAL
4. Smoke - NORMAL
5. Engines - RUNNING
6. Engine RPM (N1) 70%
7. Fuel pressure - NORMAL
8. Engine vibration - LO
9. Wind direction - WEST
10. Wind speed - 25 kts
To my way of thinking, this means a number of things:
A) UA93 was involved in a controlled flight collision with the ground - the entire airframe was intact at impact
i.e. it wasn't shot down.
B) The wind speed was almost twice previously reported, and would have moved the mushroom cloud CLOSER to Val as well as lateral to Val.
C) The angle of impact was shallower than I previously realised, resulting in a forward motion of light debris/fireball from the impact (explaining further the position of the mushroom cloud as WELL as the light debris scattered towards the lake)
D) The speed of impact was significantly higher than previously claimed - I had always heard about 500 MPH - it was actually 575 MPH. Combined with the shallower impact angle this further supports the movement of the mushroom cloud.
End result? The actual data from the Flight Data Recorder further supports the claim that Val's photo is accurate and genuine.
(Incidentally, the FBI have authenticated the photo, so it's not a fake - unless you believe the FBI is in on it, at which point you're lost to woo land).
The FDR report can be found
For laymen, someone on a professional pilot's forum has provided the key specs at impact
-Andrew
This is something I was looking for, a 40 degree impact into the ground. It would follow the Third Law of Motion according to Newton, ie, every action creates an equal and opposite reaction. At camera view, the plane struck from right to left at 40 degrees creating a fireball continuing up and to the left, which, with prevailing winds, might carry the cloud away from the crash site from the beginning of the instance. This is why it is not directly over the crash site. Coupling that with the fact that an explosion is a dynamic which is all about energy. It is not static. It, to a certain extent, creates its own inertia and propels itself away from the impact point. If 93 crashed at the site of the hole, one should not expect the plume to be right over that same hole. Unless you are killtown and you operate independently from the laws of physics, that is...
Now. This business about the cloud moving toward the photographer (in order to appear larger to the camera) is immaterial because its size has been shown to be consistent with an explosion of so many pounds of jet fuel. A nuclear engineer has provided me with the math which shows the cloud, measuring some 500-600 meters across in the slice of time captured by the camera, to be perfectly consistent with reality. In fact, he wrote that 1000 meters across would not be unreasonable. You can find this on my very first post here.
So. On killtown's blog, he writes consistently that the size of the cloud just can't be, but has a big fat zero to support this, all the while using this Wish as a smoking gun to support his claim that either the photo was doctored or indicative of a pile of munitions set off closer to the camera to make it appear bigger. In either case he uses it as a point of fact to indicate fraud on either Val's part or the government's part, which points to a conspiracy either way. And as anyone knows, if you play both sides of the truth, you'll always come out on top. And for killtown, it's important to be right no matter what.
The end result is that we have removed one of his largest "points of fact" from his argument and shown it to be as transparent as his ability to support the rest of his arguments. He has yet to address the mathematics chucked in his face, and figures that if he just ignores them, they will ignore him in return.
Well, let's just imagine that the math didn't support the size of the cloud and it did indeed appear to be too large for the explosion that occurred. And what if someone did set off a stack of TNT one mile east of the crash site. Wouldn't you hate to be the project manager in charge of that fuk up?
Agent In Charge: "Wait a minute, Johnson....I had the guys dig a hole in the woods and knock down some trees in the middle of the night, scatter some bones and sht around so it would look like a real live wreck, and then when I put you in charge of the pyros, you go and set off a pile of dynamite a freakin' mile away? Are you stoned?"
Johnson: "Well...I...but I thought....Yes. As a matter of fact, I was stoned. You want some? Chief? It's really good stuff..."
Agent In Charge:"We've got ten tanker trucks of JP 8 parked in the woods next to the hole, you dipsh!t. You were supposed to see that it was all dumped in that damn stupid hole we spent all night digging out. All you had to do was light the damn match and run away! How the hell am I gonna explain TWO holes in the ground?"
Johnson: Well, Chief, I read on Killtown's blog that if someone was to draw up a conspiracy like this, it would be better to do it this way so there would be a Smoking Gun so we could all get caught!"
Agent In Charge: "Oh...well...Well, then, that makes sense. Good thinking, Johnson. I'm giving you an in field promotion. And...And Johnson?"
Johnson: "Yes Chief?"
Agent In Charge: "I'm sorry."
Johnson: "It's ok, Chief."
