Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

Is the plume in this photo from Flight 93 crashing?

  • Yes.

    Votes: 129 90.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 13 9.2%

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I had the impression that he was wanting to know how large of a fireball could lead to a smoke cloud that big, and assuming that the fireball was at ground-level, would try to prove that it couldn't be as big as would be necessary, because the trees within that fireball would have been burned.

Something along the lines of "to make a smoke cloud 600 meters across, the initial fireball would had to have been 300 meters across at ground-level, but we know it wasn't that big becuase trees 150 meters from the crater were unharmed. Further, if you look at the trees that were burned, it indicates a 75-meter fireball, which could not grow to a 600-meter smoke cloud."

I'm making some of these numbers up, but I thought that's where Killtown was headed.

If this thread has taught us nothing else, it has taught us that it is all but impossible to underestimate Killtown. I think you have given him an argument that he'll try to use now, but I doubt he could have come up with it all on his own. Heck, I'd have accepted a half-way plausible form of this argument for my $100 challenge.

Just to note, by the way, your hypothetical example mixes up radius and diameter. That is, we'd expect a 300m fireball not to reach trees 150m away. (Taking notes, KT?)
 
Ok, anybody care to explain how your up to 184m/600ft (2 football field length) fireball caused from 5,500 gals of jetfuel with a scorching hot temperature of up to 1,316C/2,400F didn't even manage to burn any of the tall dry grass growing right up against the crater???

00037r.jpg

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/911/911-docphotos.html

;)
 
Ok, anybody care to explain how your up to 184m/600ft (2 football field length) fireball caused from 5,500 gals of jetfuel with a scorching hot temperature of up to 1,316C/2,400F didn't even manage to burn any of the tall dry grass growing right up against the crater???

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/911/images/00037r.jpg
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/911/911-docphotos.html

;)

It went upward, not outwards. We explained to you over and over and over again about the aerosolized fuel being ejected upwards into the air and then being ignited, not spilled onto the ground and then set on fire (as in the crash of the B-52 to which you are so wedded [now we see why]).

Any more questions before you do your "calculations" from your bogus "variables"? Or have you decided to abandon "calculations" for "forensics"?
 
Ok, anybody care to explain how your up to 184m/600ft (2 football field length) fireball caused from 5,500 gals of jetfuel with a scorching hot temperature of up to 1,316C/2,400F didn't even manage to burn any of the tall dry grass growing right up against the crater???

[qimg]http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/911/images/00037r.jpg[/qimg]
http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/911/911-docphotos.html

;)

I think your picture shows that it did. :confused:
 
Ok, anybody care to explain how your up to 184m/600ft (2 football field length) fireball caused from 5,500 gals of jetfuel with a scorching hot temperature of up to 1,316C/2,400F didn't even manage to burn any of the tall dry grass growing right up against the crater???
Any of the tall grass? I think you mean the tall grass that's in the foreground near the right wingtip, right? Unless you have photos, speculation about other unburned grass is unfounded.
 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UnBELIEVABLE, but not unexpected! I knew that would be your only pathetic comeback!

LoL!!!
1) Why is that pathetic?

2) What's your explanation? After all, you've agreed that the plane did crash there.
 
Any of the tall grass? I think you mean the tall grass that's in the foreground near the right wingtip, right? Unless you have photos, speculation about other unburned grass is unfounded.
The TALL UNBURNT GRASS all the way around the crater's edge and beyond!

Stop being in denial guys. You know your theory just got blown to bits.

You should probably hop on the "photo is fake" bandwagon at this point to save yourself for total humility.


You guys just got

Punk'd!


Suckers.


:D
 
Ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UnBELIEVABLE, but not unexpected! I knew that would be your only pathetic comeback!

LoL!!!

So, once again, KT, your entire argument rests upon a single claim: "I don't think so!" That's it--that's your whole "line of reasoning": "it doesn't look likely to me!" Do you do any research? Do you bother to find out possible reasons for or against your conclusions? No, don't be silly. You already know your conclusions are right--why bother putting them to the test.

O.K., here's something I found in two minutes of googling:

"The conflagration in Hiroshima caused high winds to spring up as air was drawn in toward the center of the burning area, creating a "fire storm". The wind velocity in the city had been less than 5 miles per hour before the bombing, but the fire-wind attained a velocity of 30-40 miles per hour. These great winds restricted the perimeter of the fire but greatly added to the damage of the conflagration within the perimeter and caused the deaths of many persons who might otherwise have escaped. In Nagasaki, very severe damage was caused by fires, but no extensive "fire storm" engulfed the city. In both cities, some of the fires close to X were no doubt started by the ignition of highly combustible material such as paper, straw, and dry cloth, upon the instantaneous radiation of heat from the nuclear explosion. The presence of large amounts of unburnt combustible materials near X, however, indicated that even though the heat of the blast was very intense, its duration was insufficient to raise the temperature of many materials to the kindling point except in cases where conditions were ideal."

Notice that "large amounts of unburnt combustible materials near X." You know what X is, I assume, right? Yes, "ground zero" of a frikkin' atomic bomb! So--either you are saying that the US never actually dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima or Nagasaki, or you are saying that that bomb did not result in a large mushroom cloud, or you are saying that you don't know even one, teensy, tiny thing about the relationship between explosions, fire, and resultant smoke clouds. Guess which one I pick?

So, Killtown, you've been proven wrong yet again. You've been shown once again that you made this vile and slanderous accusation against Val McClatchey on the basis of nothing more than your "gut instinct" and you've been shown that your "gut instinct" is less reliable than random guessing. Now are you going to apologize to this poor woman, or do you feel you need to have even more shame heaped upon you before you do something to mitigate it?
 
Interesting, since we actually brought up this picture before Killclown did, and adressed many of the issues around it (such as that it isn't the whole picture, it's taken near a wingtip area where you wouldn't expect so much burning, the plane hit an an angle...this may be the side opposite direction of motion, etc, etc).

You show your maturity by not bothering to read the thread, Killclown. And posting lame h4x0r terms doesn't help much.
 
By the way, KT, would you care to take a break from further proving your complete ignorance on the subject you have chosen to devote your life to, and explain why you couldn't have produced this piece of "evidence" oh, say, 30 or 40 pages ago? None of it has anything whatsoever to do with the "experiment" you claimed to be running.

Looking back I can see that you thought you were "setting us up" oh so cleverly by trying to get us all to agree that the explosion would have "looked like" the B52 explosion. Given, however, that we all told you it wouldn't have looked anything like that--given, indeed, that we spelled out for you the fact that the key difference was that the B52 spilled its fuel on the ground and that Flight 93 would have aerosolized its fuel upward into the air I'm having real difficulty in figuring out how you think we were "punk'd." We already pointed out that we did not expect extensive burning on the ground at the crash site.

So--you are still to provide even one tiny scrap of evidence in support of your original claim. Don't you think that 55 pages of argument without a single piece of evidence for your side is a little, well, embarrassing?
 
Man, you JREFers are in SERIOUS denial! Maybe YOU guys should be referred to as "9/11 DENIARS"?! LoL! It's not a surprise though.

Just concede you guys got punk'd and admit there is no way the crash caused even a little fireball and that Val's plume was in no way caused from something from the crash site.

Just look at the crash scene photos, NOTHING scorched the grass about the crater...

http://killtown.911review.org/flight93/gallery.html

Just say that the fuel was buried underground. THAT is a least more plausible than your "2 football field" wide metal melting monsterous fireball!


BOOM!!!

b52collagepx2.jpg


:D
 
Flight 93 would have aerosolized its fuel upward into the air I'm having real difficulty in figuring out how you think we were "punk'd." We already pointed out that we did not expect extensive burning on the ground at the crash site.

Ha ha ha ha!!!!

Stop, you guys are killing me!!!!
 
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