Please help me parse these patents

[avataress]

I doubt that there is anyone here on the forum who has tried a $1M challenge. Those who have tried go away in a snit.

Out of curiosity only, why do you want these 3 devices built if they are not related to your challenge in any way? It is odd to come to a forum and ask these two things in a single post if they are not related.

As for building the devices, I believe I could build the first one. But it would cost more like $100,000 (mostly for my time,) not $500, and I could not guarantee that it would work, nor could anyone else you might find.

IXP

Thank you for your response. I understand that some might think it strange that I've asked about these devices. Perhaps I should have asked about the patents and the statistician in different posts/threads.

In any case, I believe what you say that those here would go away in a snit if they cannot have their way; maybe they're not as logical and scientific as they're making out. In psychological circles, especially those of analytical psychology or the school of Carl Jung, it is notorious that thinking types, which most scientists are, do not have a lot of what is known as emotional intelligence and are not very good at dealing with their emotions. I'm a thinking type, too, but being a woman, I think that helps me with the emotional side and I tend to blend thinking/intuition/feeling AND I'm able to be brutally honest, at least with myself about what I KNOW to be real, as well as morally.

Well, in any case, if I can find a professional statistician, I will apply to take, and publicize the fact that I've applied to take the $1 million paranormal challenge! And now that I see how it is administered, I think I may have a chance!

Finally, in this vein, if I'm able to win the $1 million paranormal challenge, I'd be glad to pay you $100,000 to build that machine! How do you calculate your per hour (rate for your time-expended) and come up with the figure of $100,000? I charge $250 per hour for my time, although I have put all the information I could in a book on www.amazon.com about what I do for only $7. . .if people think they can do it as well as I can on their own See my website here:

http://www.justdonna.g2gm.com/

I also have a 16-year perfect BBB (Better Business Bureau) rating without a single complaint for my business although I'm not making a hell of a lot of money! I guess people don't believe in what they see! See it by going to my website!)

Thanks again! Cheers! !

 

[avataress]

Success in a test is determined by significantly beating the statistical odds, so zero paranormal ability will yield random chance, which is defined as failure. Flipping a coin will yield 50:50 heads or tails within a certain range determined by how often you flip it. If your claim is an ability to control a coin flip with your brain, you must exceed the statistically expected range for a given number of flips.

The repeated failures in the past are both testimonies to the accurate designs of the tests and the complete lack of paranormal abilities.

Okay, and by the way, my challenge has nothing to do with me controlling the outcome of flips of coins if that's a guess. Cheers! !

 

[avataress]

Nope.

In order to establish the serious nature of the
application, at least one of the three following items
must be provided with this application:
1. A signed letter of reference from a medical doctor, a
faculty member at an accredited university or
college, or a professional research scientist (i.e.,
employed by an industry or government agency)
stating that the person should be considered a
serious Applicant and that the claim merits testing.


"Paranormal" is pretty wide anyway. Telekinesis? Maybe a physics guy. The instructions also indicate you may want to talk to a doctor. But nothing about "US" or "statisticians".



Sorry - I can't parse your last paragraph.

Thanks for this, Slyjoe. I'm also going to read the application instructions again.

About parsing your highlighted in yellow bit, it's a clue, a sly one. It says "accredited" about colleges and universities No one answered my question about accrediting bodies in foreign countries. Do you care to? Care to guess yet?

Cheers! !

 

[slyjoe]

...snip

In any case, I believe what you say that those here would go away in a snit if they cannot have their way; maybe they're not as logical and scientific as they're making out.

Read it again - the reference was to those who have taken on the challenge, not to the people here (who in general have not).

In psychological circles, especially those of analytical psychology or the school of Carl Jung, it is notorious that thinking types, which most scientists are, do not have a lot of what is known as emotional intelligence and are not very good at dealing with their emotions. I'm a thinking type, too, but being a woman, I think that helps me with the emotional side and I tend to blend thinking/intuition/feeling AND I'm able to be brutally honest, at least with myself about what I KNOW to be real, as well as morally.

Well, in any case, if I can find a professional statistician, I will apply to take, and publicize the fact that I've applied to take the $1 million paranormal challenge! And now that I see how it is administered, I think I may have a chance!

Still don't understand the need for a statistician.

Finally, in this vein, if I'm able to win the $1 million paranormal challenge, I'd be glad to pay you $100,000 to build that machine! How do you calculate your per hour (rate for your time-expended) and come up with the figure of $100,000? I charge $250 per hour for my time, although I have put all the information I could in a book on www.amazon.com about what I do for only $7. . .if people think they can do it as well as I can on their own See my website here:

http://www.justdonna.g2gm.com/

I also have a 16-year perfect BBB (Better Business Bureau) rating without a single complaint for my business although I'm not making a hell of a lot of money! I guess people don't believe in what they see! See it by going to my website!)

Thanks again! Cheers! !

Advertising your web site? Really? What does that have to do with any paranormal ability? Eventually, you have to write down your claim. There are a lot of posters that can help you in pointing out methodological flaws or suggest protocols. Why would you squander that resource with all the fluff in your posts?

 

[fuelair]

Why do I think what? That they wouldn't allow me say on this forum that I don't think they'll ever award the patent or that I think they won't ever award the patent?

The answer to the former is that I'm new here and I don't know the ropes that well. I didn't even know that one can't post a formal icon that goes with every one of one's posts until one has made 50 posts! Live and learn.

The answer to the second is that I don't know how to put exactly into words my suspicions about that. I guess it's a similar trouble, though perhaps not exactly analogous, to that of the two gentlemen who have patents but who feel that they have not been able to describe the workings of their patents adequately who answered this post.

I will say, as I've said above, that it seems statistically "fishy" in that 100% of the hundreds of applicants to date have not even gotten past the preliminary test stage. Does anyone know if there's any way for ME to discover in at least some of the cases why that was so and if the applicant's agreed? I'd settle for five cases of my choice.

I am being friendly right now: there is no statistical problem if ,say, the claim to be tested is that a 50 foot high human will look and talk and function in all parts just like a regular sized human and you bring in a 50 foot human. Problem is that IF you had a 50 foot high normally proportioned human he/she would be dead of several direct causes of which the most obvious is suffocation well before he/she reached 50 feet tall - - at 8+ feet tall the life span is much lower and walking is very difficult and bones break easily - as he/she grows it only gets worse. In the same way, there is no possibility of the prize ever being awarded as there is no way any human is going to develop the things/powers that get tested based on human anatomy/physiology and general knowledge of science including the sciences of information transmission - the human body has no structures/organs capable of sending/receiving these signals (assuming such exist and studies of all known signal types preclude such existing - this isn't Star Trek where new unknown rays pop up randomly to befuddle and bemuse the crews, there are simply no such out there). In short, the closest we will come to anything of the type people try to get tested for is a device that can isolate brainwaves patterns well enough that they can have meaningful interpretations. It is highly unlikely, but if it was doable it would not meet the criteria of the prize as there would be no supernatural/psychic aspect to it, just applied technology - which, by the by, means that if the machines you mentioned existed and functioned as you note then they would simply be advanced transmission devices but not within the purview of the prize as they are simply using technology in a new way. Now, if you could do it using a dowsing rod, you might have something to try for the prize!!!!!.

 

[Pup]

I think I understand what you're saying although I'm not sure. If by chance alone 1 in 1000 should have passed at least the preliminary test, that seems accurate but how did you come up with the determination that the odds were 1 in 1000 if it is only chance?

That's the usual odds that participants are required to beat by the JREF.

People's (the judges' of the challenge) perceptions and judgments are at play, not mere chance as in tossing a coin

That's not how it works. There is no subjective judging in the challenge. The results are obvious.

How do those numbers statistically prove that the paranormal doesn't exist?

They don't. They prove the challenger couldn't do what he/she said he/she could do.

quote: If paranormal things are real, the success rate should be close to 100%.

My response: How so? Is it a real psychological FACT that people have a propensity to fear the dark? But there will be some people, who knows how many, who will admit fearing the dark, and some who don't, and I'm sure nowhere near close to 100%! That doesn't mean that fear of the dark doesn't exist or is not real.

Each challenger claims that he/she can do what it takes to pass their challenge. If all the challengers were right about their abilities, they all should succeed. All seem equally sure their particular abilities are real. It's true that if some paranormal things are real but not others, we'd see all the dowsers pass and the telekinetics fail or vice versa, but that seems a pointless distinction, because they're all convinced they can do what they claim, and they all fail.

In any case, the paranormal challenge committee states in its formal application instructions that I have downloaded and printed out that if one passes the challenge all the way to the end, they will pay the $1 million, which again, I don't believe they will agree that anyone has passed (!), BUT they state, that does not mean that they are admitting that the paranormal exists! Sigh! Why, then, would they pay the $1 million? That's what the payment is supposed to be for scientific proof of--that the paranormal exists! Sounds like a Catch-22 to me!

Those who don't want to give up their belief in the paranormal often come up with various excuses why the challenge is fake, so they don't have to admit that the reason no one has won is because the paranormal really isn't real.

 

[fuelair]

Checked your website: curious how Walgreen's wrote your prescriptions wrong? Walgreen's fills prescriptions but they do not to the best of my knowledge write them.

 

[avataress]

Read it again - the reference was to those who have taken on the challenge, not to the people here (who in general have not).



Still don't understand the need for a statistician.



Advertising your web site? Really? What does that have to do with any paranormal ability? Eventually, you have to write down your claim. There are a lot of posters that can help you in pointing out methodological flaws or suggest protocols. Why would you squander that resource with all the fluff in your posts?

I find you referring to what I'm posting as "fluff" to be an insult. If you don't want to respond, you don't have to. I'm sure you can find better things you'd rather do with your time; if so, then go ahead and do them. I don't find that I've tried to insult anyone here. I think you are just anxious to know what my claim is and are frustrated because I didn't tell you (which I don't have to do! and are trying to manipulate me into doing so. I don't know how valuable a resource the people here would be, just generally speaking. I'll be the judge of that, if you don't mind.

Are you saying then that those here haven't tried the $1 million paranormal challenge because they don't believe they have any paranormal gifts or don't believe in the paranormal? Must be. But how would you know about everyone else here, or that all the contestants who failed went away in a snit? Sounds like a lot of bogus conjecture to me. Because if the people whom you believe thought they had paranormal powers were rebuffed, from your behavior toward me, I'm pretty sure they'd go away in a snit! ! You have the right user name, Slyjoe! But as Einstein said, his laboratory was in his head, if I'm not mistaken and no one could make him reveal something that was in there before he was ready! Care to make any guesses?

My website is just for anyone's information who might be interested. Is it against the rules for me to put it here? I know it is allowed on my profile. You'll have to do better than that, Slyjoe!

 

[avataress]

Checked your website: curious how Walgreen's wrote your prescriptions wrong? Walgreen's fills prescriptions but they do not to the best of my knowledge write them.

Perhaps I got the terminology wrong. What I meant was that they wrote the wrong number of pills and the dosage on the prescription bottles they gave me for years. Also, once they folded part of the prescription label under so that I couldn't possibly see the expiration date.

Further, if Walgreen's didn't believe they were in the wrong, or that there was SOMETHING to my claim, I'm sure they wouldn't have paid it!

Yet further, I am neither a doctor nor a pharmacist and am not required to make differentiations between the terms "write a prescription" and "fill a prescription," although I hope I have done so to your satisfaction above. Thanks for this intelligence, though which I WILL remember!

Finally, in this vein, would you like to send me a private message with you fax number, if you have one (!), where I can fax you a copy of the paid claim from Walgreen's? I'll be glad to do so and to keep your fax number private.

Anything else you'd like to question, fire away!

 

[fuelair]

They will pay the million dollars , but they will have not doubt (nor would I) that you had somehow managed to trick them. The possibility exists that someone might beg/borrow/steal a bit of unknown to the public stealth tech that they can use to pass a carefully designed test - but no one on the group handling yours is likely to have the remotest belief you did whatever they have to accept you did by any parapsych means - if it's para, it IS faked. On your bright side, if you do that you do get the million. To prevent that, the rules are tight in the possible external contact area.

 

[avataress]

That's the usual odds that participants are required to beat by the JREF.



That's not how it works. There is no subjective judging in the challenge. The results are obvious.

They don't. They prove the challenger couldn't do what he/she said he/she could do.




Each challenger claims that he/she can do what it takes to pass their challenge. If all the challengers were right about their abilities, they all should succeed. All seem equally sure their particular abilities are real. It's true that if some paranormal things are real but not others, we'd see all the dowsers pass and the telekinetics fail or vice versa, but that seems a pointless distinction, because they're all convinced they can do what they claim, and they all fail.


Those who don't want to give up their belief in the paranormal often come up with various excuses why the challenge is fake, so they don't have to admit that the reason no one has won is because the paranormal really isn't real.

Most people who don't want to give up their belief in WHATEVER thing they can't prove and when challenged make excuses. Scientists have done this repeatedly, like with the germ theory when it was first presented to them and the presenter of which theory they hounded and persecuted! I'm sure you have some beliefs like that too!

I don't give excuses for my beliefs if I can't prove them factually, some of which I readily admit are confessions of faith as I did in the Religion and Philosophy, I think it is, forum here. If some things don't harm anything there's no problem in believing in them if such belief makes you feel better. However, if people are going to lie and start wars over their beliefs, then that's a problem. I do neither. How about you?

And I DO see some of the problems with some of the paranormal challenges as I've also written here! Naturally, I can't speak for them all because I'm not going to look into them all; not my job or my inclination. From the one challenge I've looked at indepth, it seemed fairly constructed and in great detail and also like the guy who made the claim was full of baloney to use someone's expression here and didn't have any abilities as he claimed.

Do you know how many people lie to me DAILY (!) just to get my attention? About the dumbest things imaginable! Can you imagine if a million dollars was at state rather than just the passing chance to try to make a fool out of me, which is many, many people's pastimes too because they just can't out-think me. Most find it almost impossible to do! Not even Ph.D.'s and I've conversed with many and I have some of the e-mails to prove it! Would you like to see some? Just ask; I'll post them right here if it's allowed! Good luck!

 

[avataress]

They will pay the million dollars , but they will have not doubt (nor would I) that you had somehow managed to trick them. The possibility exists that someone might beg/borrow/steal a bit of unknown to the public stealth tech that they can use to pass a carefully designed test - but no one on the group handling yours is likely to have the remotest belief you did whatever they have to accept you did by any parapsych means - if it's para, it IS faked. On your bright side, if you do that you do get the million. To prevent that, the rules are tight in the possible external contact area.

Now you seem to be making excuses.

Do you not believe in the paranormal or do you think you, personally, have no paranormal capacities? If you believe either, why don't YOU try the challenge?

This challenge seems to me to be legitimate to test the paranormal LEGITIMATELY SCIENTIFICALLY, not to poo poo those who try, although again, from what I see, those I've seen who tried which have only been two, the guy who claimed he could see photos through envelopes without knowing what they are and the female who said she could make (men?) pee, are ridiculous beyond imagining! It seems most of the people who enter only want attention and to be able to say they entered which entries are written into a permanent record for all time. It seems you don't understand the psychology of people; most people will do anything at all to get attention!

If you find that the other claims I've made here on which I offered proof to any and all requesters, none of whom have taken ME up on that challenge, but just continue to complain, like you, then say so! But you can't do that because you haven't even agreed to look at the proof! You "looked" at my website and all you could find there to complain about was that I used the word "write" about my Walgreen's prescription SNAFU. I find that comical.

Tell us of some of your outstanding accomplishments. . .anywhere. . .if you will/can! I think, if I'm not mistaken, that you've made thousands or tens of thousands of posts here; that would be one. . .which I do not intend to try to match; I have other things that are more important to me to do!

 

[Ladewig]

I'm not sure what you mean by me "expecting people to humor me." Would you care to explain further? You've already said you're not a scientist. That is what I'm looking for!

I can give my take on "expecting people to humor you."

We have had Many people come to this board asking for help on submitting an application for the JREF Paranormal Challenge. In General every poster is polite for the first two pages. Then as the thread drags on with absolutlutely no progress, many posters progressively fall into one of two camps. The first group believes the potential applicant has absolutely no intention of applying and instead is interested in playing game, irking posters and generally winding up the people trying to help. The second group believes the poster is not intentionally tormenting people, but merely is enjoying the general chatting and personal interaction. Both groups are convinced that nothing productive can come from such a thread.

In this thread, I am still convinced that you are sincere.

But I must warn you. Some of the items that push posters into the two camps are
(1) refusing to provide a clear and succinct description of the claim.
(2) insisting that there must be a subjective aspect to the judging.
(3) refusing to test oneself in a repeated and controlled manner.
(4) arguing over the definition of words like "proof" and "paranormal."
(5) insisting that one is exceptionally intelligent, talented, or skilled.
(6) writing posts in which over half of each post has nothing to do with a protocol for the challenge.

As I said, I am still calling you a sincere applicant.

Edited to add
My point is that there is a good chance that by the top of page four of this thread, it may have a decidedly different tone.
Also, if any regular posters think I am off base on any aspect of this post, even the tiniest aspect, please do not hesitate to correct me.

 

[ben m]

Avataress,

I'm not an authority here, but my understanding is that the *intention* of the "find a statistician" clause was to weed out nutcases. As you pointed out, many of the previous applicants ("I make people pee with my mind!") are basically nuts. If not one human being has seen your "skill" and been impressed, don't bother JREF yet. Randi added the "professional" clause to weed out nuts whose friends are also nuts. ("I can make people pee with my mind, and this one nice lady from my UFO Abductees Support Circle will vouch for me.")

I don't think you are likely to email a professional statistician and get this kind of voucher, unless your skill involves some sort of remote-reading and you can impress them via email. How about your doctor?

 

[Loss Leader]

Well, folks, Avataress did send me a PM with a somewhat clearer sense of her claim. As I stated, I will not reveal the content of her private post. However, I will relate that I told her that her claim would be very unlikely to be accepted as testable. I pointed her towards resources on the internet that showed the problems with similar claims.

 

[avataress]

I can give my take on "expecting people to humor you."

We have had Many people come to this board asking for help on submitting an application for the JREF Paranormal Challenge. In General every poster is polite for the first two pages. Then as the thread drags on with absolutlutely no progress, many posters progressively fall into one of two camps. The first group believes the potential applicant has absolutely no intention of applying and instead is interested in playing game, irking posters and generally winding up the people trying to help. The second group believes the poster is not intentionally tormenting people, but merely is enjoying the general chatting and personal interaction. Both groups are convinced that nothing productive can come from such a thread.

In this thread, I am still convinced that you are sincere.

But I must warn you. Some of the items that push posters into the two camps are
(1) refusing to provide a clear and succinct description of the claim.
(2) insisting that there must be a subjective aspect to the judging.
(3) refusing to test oneself in a repeated and controlled manner.
(4) arguing over the definition of words like "proof" and "paranormal."
(5) insisting that one is exceptionally intelligent, talented, or skilled.
(6) writing posts in which over half of each post has nothing to do with a protocol for the challenge.

As I said, I am still calling you a sincere applicant.

Edited to add
My point is that there is a good chance that by the top of page four of this thread, it may have a decidedly different tone.
Also, if any regular posters think I am off base on any aspect of this post, even the tiniest aspect, please do not hesitate to correct me.

Thanks for this intelligence, Ladewig. I think you have made yourself quite clear. I AM sincere. As you can see, one poster, whom I believe is a moderator, Loss Leader, wrote in a post here today, that if I told him exactly what I wanted in a private message, that he would try to help if s/he (I believe that person is a male) could (I believe with helping me get a qualified statistician, actuary, or mathematician to write the recommendation letter, which is all I need at this time. I believe I have at least a beginning protocol which can be refined between myself and the JREF.) Loss Leader said that s/he would not reveal what I wrote in the private message.

I wrote to this Loss Leader in a private message explaining myself as s/he proposed and I have not heard back.

Because of your good will and good faith, and because I know I have been teasing you all terribly by not telling (which I have to say WAS fun), and because you all too seem genuinely interested in, even willing to root for me in my claim, if I don't hear back from Loss Leader privately by this Thursday, May 14, 2015, I will post the exact private message that I sent to Loss Leader at that time. I hope you find this a reasonable compromise.

Further, I expect from you all for my keeping my word in this way, which I will do unless I am physically incapacitated or my computer crashes or some other unforeseen circumstance happens that you see it as a good faith token and that, again, if merited, that you show me your respect that I am serious and not just some cutesy female, which many also believe I am.

That being said, I have never been out-thought by anyone male or female on a fair playing field unless it is in some field I absolutely do not know about like electronics and when I don't know something I have absolutely no compunction about admitting it; I think it is a mark of inferior intellect not to be able to willingly admit a lack of knowledge and to learn if one can what it is one does not know. Please excuse me if this seems like the typical boasting of me "being exceptionally intelligent" but as far as I can tell that is true. I have no problems WHATSOEVER with boasting as long as it is true. There's a saying that the empty jar sounds the loudest.

If challengers to intellectual superiority over me are conniving or lying, sometimes those types got to think they were smarter than me, I admit. However, as one person here whom I find offensive said about me on another forum and I noted that I will not be answering him again, I'm sure I have more in common with Einstein than anyone I or you for that matter have ever corresponded with! Enough said in that vein! Until Thursday, about revealing my plan, or sooner if anything else worthwhile to me comes up here, au revoir.

And Thanks again for your explication of the usual procedure around here, which sounds quite plausible, understanding and gesture of good will (faith?) in believing in my sincerity!

Why DO you think I'm serious/sincere, Ladewig, which again, I ABSOLUTELY AM? Is it because of other things I've said here that I offered proof of, which no one has taken me up on? Or do you just sense this somehow?

 

[Ladewig]

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In any case, the paranormal challenge committee states in its formal application instructions that I have downloaded and printed out that if one passes the challenge all the way to the end, they will pay the $1 million, which again, I don't believe they will agree that anyone has passed (!), BUT they state, that does not mean that they are admitting that the paranormal exists! Sigh! Why, then, would they pay the $1 million? That's what the payment is supposed to be for scientific proof of--that the paranormal exists! Sounds like a Catch-22 to me!

I can easily clear that up for you

That's what the payment is supposed to be for scientific proof of--that the paranormal exists!/QUOTE]

No. If you read the application and the instructions carefully, you will find that the phrase "scientific proof" does not appear. They are NOT paying you for scientific proof. They are paying you for a demonstration of a paranormal claim under controlled conditions.

 

[ben m]

This challenge seems to me to be legitimate to test the paranormal LEGITIMATELY SCIENTIFICALLY, not to poo poo those who try, although again, from what I see, those I've seen who tried which have only been two, the guy who claimed he could see photos through envelopes without knowing what they are and the female who said she could make (men?) pee, are ridiculous beyond imagining!

Here's the secret. Psychic powers work a lot like, say, conspiracy theories. A lot of people believe that ESP exists, or ghosts, or homeopathy, because they're convinced that someone else has great firsthand experience. "Of course ghosts exist, my aunt said she knew someone who saw one himself." "Of course mindreading is possible, wasn't there a lady on TV, ten years ago, who passed some tests or something?" Everyone thought that there was conclusive proof just next door, but no one could quite produce it themselves.

One of the things JREF did was put an end to this. "Forget the story you heard about your aunt's mailman's football coach's mind-reading skills. Why doesn't the mind-reading coach step up directly?" Quite aside from the actual tests and failures (and snits and refusals), we have learned about the vast range of charlatans and self-deluded weirdos who got as far as convincing themselves they have paranormal powers. All of the JREF applicants who sound like laughingstocks firsthand---well, they're the people whose stories might have sounded convincing together thirdhand.

 

[Ladewig]

Thanks for this intelligence, Ladewig. I think you have made yourself quite clear. I AM sincere. As you can see, one poster, whom I believe is a moderator, Loss Leader, wrote in a post here today, that if I told him exactly what I wanted in a private message, that he would try to help if s/he (I believe that person is a male) could (I believe with helping me get a qualified statistician, actuary, or mathematician to write the recommendation letter, which is all I need at this time. I believe I have at least a beginning protocol which can be refined between myself and the JREF.) Loss Leader said that s/he would not reveal what I wrote in the private message.

I wrote to this Loss Leader in a private message explaining myself as s/he proposed and I have not heard back.

Because of your good will and good faith, and because I know I have been teasing you all terribly by not telling (which I have to say WAS fun), and because you all too seem genuinely interested in, even willing to root for me in my claim, if I don't hear back from Loss Leader privately by this Thursday, May 14, 2015, I will post the exact private message that I sent to Loss Leader at that time. I hope you find this a reasonable compromise.

Further, I expect from you all for my keeping my word in this way, which I will do unless I am physically incapacitated or my computer crashes or some other unforeseen circumstance happens that you see it as a good faith token and that, again, if merited, that you show me your respect that I am serious and not just some cutesy female, which many also believe I am.

That being said, I have never been out-thought by anyone male or female on a fair playing field unless it is in some field I absolutely do not know about like electronics and when I don't know something I have absolutely no compunction about admitting it; I think it is a mark of inferior intellect not to be able to willingly admit a lack of knowledge and to learn if one can what it is one does not know. Please excuse me if this seems like the typical boasting of me "being exceptionally intelligent" but as far as I can tell that is true. I have no problems WHATSOEVER with boasting as long as it is true. There's a saying that the empty jar sounds the loudest.

If challengers to intellectual superiority over me are conniving or lying, sometimes those types got to think they were smarter than me, I admit. However, as one person here whom I find offensive said about me on another forum and I noted that I will not be answering him again, I'm sure I have more in common with Einstein than anyone I or you for that matter have ever corresponded with! Enough said in that vein! Until Thursday, about revealing my plan, or sooner if anything else worthwhile to me comes up here, au revoir.

And Thanks again for your explication of the usual procedure around here, which sounds quite plausible, understanding and gesture of good will (faith?) in believing in my sincerity!

Why DO you think I'm serious/sincere, Ladewig, which again, I ABSOLUTELY AM? Is it because of other things I've said here that I offered proof of, which no one has taken me up on? Or do you just sense this somehow?

Truth be told, I have skipped over those other claims because they are of absolutely no interest to me.

I am always willing to give potential applicants the benefit of the doubt. I do not want anyone to turn away from the application because of discouraging or argumentative comments that appear on this message forum. Some potential applicants have a writing style that might rub some regular posters the wrong way. I don't want those people to be unfairly judged. Thus, until a poster performs specific actions, I will treat each poster as someone seriously interested in discussing the possibility of providing useful evidence in the field of the paranormal.

 

[avataress]

Avataress,

I'm not an authority here, but my understanding is that the *intention* of the "find a statistician" clause was to weed out nutcases. As you pointed out, many of the previous applicants ("I make people pee with my mind!") are basically nuts. If not one human being has seen your "skill" and been impressed, don't bother JREF yet. Randi added the "professional" clause to weed out nuts whose friends are also nuts. ("I can make people pee with my mind, and this one nice lady from my UFO Abductees Support Circle will vouch for me.")

I don't think you are likely to email a professional statistician and get this kind of voucher, unless your skill involves some sort of remote-reading and you can impress them via email. How about your doctor?

Thank you for this, Ben M. My skill does NOT have anything to do with remote reading! I presently do not have a primary care physician. I am between practitioners as it were to find one I like. Further, although I'm pretty sure that my challenge can be proven to be statistically valid as it purportedly HAS already been proven to be by others than the $1 million paranormal challenge (please see my previous post to this one to Ladewig about exactly what my challenge is and when I will reveal it), I don't think a medical doctor would be able to vouch for me, at least no doctor I've ever known personally.

I have contacted one very famous M.D., Chrisitiane Northrup, about providing such a reference because she believes in the phenomena my challenge is about in a general sort of way (I don't know what her expertise is on the subject; I've been doing it for 45 years (!) or since I was 12 (I'm now 57) as an autodidact but she has not returned my correspondence thinking maybe that I'm a garden variety nut, as you say, contacting her like that out of the blue although I apprised her of some of my accomplishments in life as I have apprised you here. Many seem to want to discount my accomplishments although I don't know any "common" person who has accomplished anything even remotely similar to what I have, especially someone within my financial resources!

I will e-mail her again. They no longer have a phone number so I can't call. After I post my actual claim on Thursday, whether Loss Leader contacts me privately or not, I just want to give him/her some time) then maybe someone can advise. In any case, I would like a statistician, actuary, or mathematician who is in my camp to help with preliminary testing although I'm sure that JREF's camp will want to employ their own.

Thanks again! !