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I'm trying to compose a response to this page: http://skeptics.victorzammit.com/reward.html

I'd be grateful if someone would check my argument is sound and my analogy is good. Logic/grammar corrections appreciated, improvements welcome.
Ta.

Zammit: Considering the [JREF $1,000,000] offer has allegedly been made since 1987 it is most suspicious that the offerer boasts that nobody has passed the initial test. Evidence from many parts of the world shows that the evidence for the afterlife is abundant, proven, definitive and conclusive.

Me: Whilst I am in do doubt of Mr Zammit’s sincerity that definite proof of the afterlife exists, the fact is that evidence for life after death is very controversial and the idea far from accepted. Whether the afterlife exists or not though, is hardly relevant. Mr Zammit has implied that the JREF challenge is flawed or skewed as no one has won the prize despite the existence of the afterlife. He has assumed, incorrectly, that people who have been tested for claims involving contact with the afterlife have used the correct methods for communication.
Let me explain with an analogy. For the sake of argument, I will assume that the afterlife exists.
We all know that the means of flight exists. Millions of people travel on planes each year. A person comes along who claims he can fly. This is entirely possible, we know people are able to fly using the correct means. However, he claims he can fly by flapping his arms. Thus, although flight is possible, it does not follow that everyone who claims to be able to fly can do so. So it is with contact with the afterlife. Even if it does exist, it is not necessarily true that people who claim to be able to contact the dead can do so. It is perfectly plausible that the claimants tested by the JREF for the ability to contact those who have passed over have failed simply by using the incorrect means of communication. Mr Zammit’s argument does not hold due to his faulty assumption.
 
Hi Jim, sounds like a good response to me. I think I'd also be banging on about what his definitions of "proven, definitive and conclusive" are, but not doing so probably makes for an easier, snappier read. I also like your analogy.

Reading the rest of the page you linked to, I'd be inclined to petition Zammit to 'put up or shut up' regarding his accusations of fraud, and his "as far as I know" hint that people would be willing to sign affadavits.

Who is this a reply to? Are you sending it Zammit, or is it a message board thing?
 
There is no point in communicating with this wacko. Look at what he suggests under his list of required changes:

that the offerer not be anywhere where the psychic phenomenon is being demonstrated. This is because the offeror is technically an intruding negative extraneous variable and will inevitably make nugatory otherwise successful psychic tests - he exudes too much negativity for sensitives to operate properly

As we all know, the applicant first performs the test without controls (but in Randi's prescence). They always succeed: they never complain that Randi negates their powers. We all know this, but Zammit doesn't, because he doesn't want to.

If you present any facts or logic he doesn't like, he will simply ignore them.

And look at this gem:
the offerer's initial test (before the main psychic demonstration) be dispensed with in the case of accredited psychics.
First, why? and second, what exactly is an accredited psychic? There is no board of accreditation for psychics. Maybe he means popular, or maybe he just means "ones I like."

What a jackass.
 
Nucular said:
Hi Jim, sounds like a good response to me. I think I'd also be banging on about what his definitions of "proven, definitive and conclusive" are, but not doing so probably makes for an easier, snappier read.

Yeah, I could argue about Zammit's claims of definitive proof of life after death but I don't wish to digress from his main argument, which is about the fairness of Randi and the JREF test.

I also like your analogy.

Reading the rest of the page you linked to, I'd be inclined to petition Zammit to 'put up or shut up' regarding his accusations of fraud, and his "as far as I know" hint that people would be willing to sign affadavits.

Who is this a reply to? Are you sending it Zammit, or is it a message board thing?

It's a reply to a post in which a link to Zammit's page was included. The thread (The Premier Skeptic - James Randi) can be found here

Corresponding with Victor Zammit, IMO, would be an exercise in futility.
 
Jim, correct "Whilst I am in do doubt" to "Whilst I am in no doubt". Also, I think "Whilst I have no doubt" might be better.

~~ Paul
 
Don't warry your pretty little heads about anything to do with Victor Zammit. He is, as we say here, one sandwich short of a picnic, a kangaroo loose in the top paddock (ie. a nutter).

Despite any and all solid evidence, including public tests of psychics, etc, that explode in their faces with monotonous regularity, Victor always has some excuse (the usual one is the "negative skeptic" effect, regardless of if it applies or not).

Zep
 
Zep said:
Don't warry your pretty little heads about anything to do with Victor Zammit. He is, as we say here, one sandwich short of a picnic, a kangaroo loose in the top paddock (ie. a nutter).
Yeah it's all very well to say that though Zep, but ultimately he's one of those people that woo-woos are going to continue to believe, and quote, to 'discredit' people like Randi. I think maybe if sceptics were a bit more pro-active about pointing out why this guy's one sandwich short, and just plain wrong, as well as people like him, in the long term people might not just implicitly believe him, and might bear in mind instances where he's been shown to be wrong before, instead of just ignored. When sceptics don't even bother to respond to someone's claims, that can easily be seen as an admission or implicit acknowledgement that they can't.
 
Whenever anyone brings up Zammit on a believer forum, I always point out the absurdity of his offer. They usually just respond, "Sure, but it's a parody of Randi's offer. What a hoot!"

In other words, no one seems to be taking him seriously.

~~ Paul
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Whenever anyone brings up Zammit on a believer forum, I always point out the absurdity of his offer. They usually just respond, "Sure, but it's a parody of Randi's offer. What a hoot!"

In other words, no one seems to be taking him seriously.

~~ Paul
Oh no! Victor is deadly serious (or seriously in need of a change of medication). But he's a bit like that Florida nut Kent Hovind. He simply can't let the facts get in the way of the "truth" as he "knows" it to be, so he will deny the facts to his dying breath.
 
I just looked at the "changes" that he demands in the way the Million Dollar Challenge is handled. Guess what! All of the "changes" he demands in fact reflect the way that the challenge is currently carried out! You don't want Randi anywhere near you when you're taking the tests? Fine! An agent of Randi's will be there to make sure things are handled. You want an agreement on what constitutes a positive and negative result three weeks before the trial? Great! So does Randi! I mean, everything that he demands already exists! Does he not know this, or is he just purposely misrepresenting Randi, knowing that his flock will never check the facts about Randi's challenge?
 
Zep:
Oh no! Victor is deadly serious (or seriously in need of a change of medication). But he's a bit like that Florida nut Kent Hovind. He simply can't let the facts get in the way of the "truth" as he "knows" it to be, so he will deny the facts to his dying breath.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I know Zammit thinks he's serious, but most people don't really care what his challenge means. They like the fact that it parodies the JREF challenge. They look at it has a nose-thumb at the JREF challenge.

~~ Paul
 

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