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PK wheel video

On the Skeptiko forum I said this:

In your next video move the styrofoam chips and not the wheel. Then move the wheel and not the chips. Each time voicing your intent so we can hear what your are about to do. In your next video place the psi wheel inside the jar then place the jar inside an aquarium and seal the aquarium.
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I got no response.
 
Daylightstar said:
Psiwheel on a solid table, posted earlier:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3816575&postcount=1
fourth video.

Looks very real and the person isn't sitting close to the contraption.

Link to explanation:
http://forgetomori.com/2009/skepticism/psychic-powers-video-proof/
of that trick posted:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5352578&postcount=24

There's always a trick.
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From post 8 here,
'But there are other possibilities. .
There could be air tubes going to the cap of the jar from underneath.
The fact that we can't see what could be concealed under the jar cap is suspicious."
 
Hi

I havn’t watched any videos, but I tried making a psi wheel in about 1997. It worked quite reliably out in the ‘open’, but I never got it to work with a bowl over the top. I lost interest and stopped practicing after a few weeks, but my hunch, for what it’s worth, is that it would have worked if I’d persisted. I believe in PK.

My wheel consisted of a pin sticking spikey-bit-up from an eraser, with a square of paper, about an inch across, folded into a pyramid shape balanced on top.

My technique was to sit at a desk in a quiet room, place my hands around it, probably about an inch away from the wheel, and then tried to concentrate on making it rotate (counter-clockwise if I remember rightly). I kept a notebook of my progress, including my state of mind, which I may still have somewhere.

The main thing I remember is that it was surprisingly easy to get it moving, and once it started, it maintained a very steady, smooth motion for so long as I maintained concentration on it. It was fairly fast, I’d say about one rotation every two seconds IIRC.

I really don’t think it was being blown, either by myself or a breeze in the room. There are lots of reasons for this, including that it didn’t move if I wasn’t concentrating on it, other papers on my desk weren’t affected, and I’d have noticed such a breeze in the room. I tried blowing on it to make it spin, and found that this created a very different, much wobblier and more uneven motion. I’m no engineer, but I think to get it to spin smoothly you’d need to aim a very fine channel of air onto the wheel, otherwise the pin acts as much like a pivot as an axle.

It was this smooth, steady, consistent action of the wheel that was most suggestive to me of something strange happening.

I do wonder if it was some sort of electrical effect. I skimmed through this thread and see that’s been discussed, but I’m not sure that any conclusions have ever been reached. I’m extremely interested if anyone can answer this. I could only make it work with my hands around it, I couldn’t get it to work at ‘long range’.

There’s a couple of other things I think I remember well, but I’d rather check the notes I kept before I state them with any certainty because they sound a bit loony:

After a little while, I could get it to change direction at will. I’m actually quite certain of this.

The speed of the rotation would depend upon how focused I was on moving the wheel. If my mind wandered or I was distracted, it would slow down and even stop.
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Do you think it's possible that pressure on one side of the soft surface will rock the bottle and spin the wheel one way, while pressure on the other side will spin it the other way?

Some of the changes seem too instantaneous for that. Check out this video at 2:05:

http://sandstonesquarry.blogspot.com/2011/08/lets-try-that-again.html

~~ Paul
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I don't think it's accelerating much faster than in this explanation video - Psi wheel. And, of course, it will spin up much faster if you've warmed your hands in advance.
 
LordofTruth said:
Hi

I havn’t watched any videos, but I tried making a psi wheel in about 1997. It worked quite reliably out in the ‘open’, but I never got it to work with a bowl over the top. I lost interest and stopped practicing after a few weeks, but my hunch, for what it’s worth, is that it would have worked if I’d persisted. I believe in PK.

My wheel consisted of a pin sticking spikey-bit-up from an eraser, with a square of paper, about an inch across, folded into a pyramid shape balanced on top.

My technique was to sit at a desk in a quiet room, place my hands around it, probably about an inch away from the wheel, and then tried to concentrate on making it rotate (counter-clockwise if I remember rightly). I kept a notebook of my progress, including my state of mind, which I may still have somewhere.

The main thing I remember is that it was surprisingly easy to get it moving, and once it started, it maintained a very steady, smooth motion for so long as I maintained concentration on it. It was fairly fast, I’d say about one rotation every two seconds IIRC.

I really don’t think it was being blown, either by myself or a breeze in the room. There are lots of reasons for this, including that it didn’t move if I wasn’t concentrating on it, other papers on my desk weren’t affected, and I’d have noticed such a breeze in the room. I tried blowing on it to make it spin, and found that this created a very different, much wobblier and more uneven motion. I’m no engineer, but I think to get it to spin smoothly you’d need to aim a very fine channel of air onto the wheel, otherwise the pin acts as much like a pivot as an axle.

It was this smooth, steady, consistent action of the wheel that was most suggestive to me of something strange happening.

I do wonder if it was some sort of electrical effect. I skimmed through this thread and see that’s been discussed, but I’m not sure that any conclusions have ever been reached. I’m extremely interested if anyone can answer this. I could only make it work with my hands around it, I couldn’t get it to work at ‘long range’.

There’s a couple of other things I think I remember well, but I’d rather check the notes I kept before I state them with any certainty because they sound a bit loony:

After a little while, I could get it to change direction at will. I’m actually quite certain of this.

The speed of the rotation would depend upon how focused I was on moving the wheel. If my mind wandered or I was distracted, it would slow down and even stop.
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A respected scientist, Richard Feynman, once noted "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." He did not coin this expression to be condescending. He realized the he himself could make mistakes about the causes of apparent phenomena and even people who spent their whole lives trying to be objective and impartial in their observations could make the same mistakes.

Before I can believe that your experiences are evidence of PK, there are several questions that must be asked.

Why did the bowl stop the effect?
How does one account for all the people who have tried this experiment and failed?
What would have happened if you had spread flour over your hands and the table - would that have made any drafts more apparent?
Before how many trained observers did you demonstrate this power?
How does one "lose interest" in the most important scientific discovery in the past 80 years?
 
quarky said:
There is a simple hillbilly toy that I grew up with. I don't recall its name, but it consisted of a stick, roughly 1/2 inch diameter; 12" long, with a pin at its end that pierces a small stick; perhaps 2" long at most. The small stick, at 90 degrees from the large one, can spin freely on its pin.

The side of the larger stick has ridges carved into it, giving it a rough surface.

The user of the toy drags another stick up and down across those ridges, and it sets the little stick to spinning.
By dragging ones finger slightly while rubbing the sticks, the stick on the pin changes its rotational direction. Quite abruptly.

Vibrations.




(P.S., does anyone know of this toy I describe?)
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the lid of the jar is ridged , and the movement of the hand is on the back of jar most of the time , does anyone think this has something to do with that ?
 
Further experiments with the PK wheel lead some of us at another forum to believe that static electricity is the culprint. The experiments involved dryer sheets.

~~ Paul
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Further experiments with the PK wheel lead some of us at another forum to believe that static electricity is the culprint. The experiments involved dryer sheets.

~~ Paul
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Did you read the explanation by the guy who did the video? the table had a hole (or two) drilled in it and tubes from the holes led to an assistant off camera who blew air into them.
 
Paul C. Anagnostopoulos said:
Further experiments with the PK wheel lead some of us at another forum to believe that static electricity is the culprint. The experiments involved dryer sheets.

~~ Paul
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i know , i am Sparky on that forum , but what i mean is : could there be an action on the
ridges that are on the lid
maybe some stroking with the nail of the pink over the ridges could give the vibrations needed to initiate the movement

i tried to get an uncovered pinwheel moving , worked almost imediately with one hand curved around the wheel
then i cooled my hand with an ice pack and the movement stopped , although it made one rotation just by the action of moving the hand towards the wheel

i am looking for a similar jar as the one Sandy uses to experiment a bit
 
<s>Is me or that wheel is just too much like a vintage electroscope? Just add a little of static electricity to that</s>

Sorry, I rushed to reply without reading the page 2
 
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Daylightstar said:
Psiwheel on a solid table, posted earlier:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3816575&postcount=1
fourth video.

Looks very real and the person isn't sitting close to the contraption.

Link to explanation:
http://forgetomori.com/2009/skepticism/psychic-powers-video-proof/
of that trick posted:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5352578&postcount=24

There's always a trick.
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I remember that one :)

The one in the OP is interesting since it does not seem possible to place an air tube through that green lid, since she shows it. I believe the person you are linking two explained that the table he use had the air blower hidden inside the table, which is why it was a thick wooden table he used.

How would she had hidden something like that in the green plastic lid?

But I do agree that if it could be done on a glass table, or even just a more stable surface for the jar, it would be more convincing.
 
tsig said:
Did you read the explanation by the guy who did the video? the table had a hole (or two) drilled in it and tubes from the holes led to an assistant off camera who blew air into them.
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Yes. I don't think this person is blatantly cheating.

~~ Paul
 
LordofTruth said:
Hi

I havn’t watched any videos, but I tried making a psi wheel in about 1997. It worked quite reliably out in the ‘open’, but I never got it to work with a bowl over the top. I lost interest and stopped practicing after a few weeks, but my hunch, for what it’s worth, is that it would have worked if I’d persisted. I believe in PK.

My wheel consisted of a pin sticking spikey-bit-up from an eraser, with a square of paper, about an inch across, folded into a pyramid shape balanced on top.

My technique was to sit at a desk in a quiet room, place my hands around it, probably about an inch away from the wheel, and then tried to concentrate on making it rotate (counter-clockwise if I remember rightly). I kept a notebook of my progress, including my state of mind, which I may still have somewhere.

The main thing I remember is that it was surprisingly easy to get it moving, and once it started, it maintained a very steady, smooth motion for so long as I maintained concentration on it. It was fairly fast, I’d say about one rotation every two seconds IIRC.

I really don’t think it was being blown, either by myself or a breeze in the room. There are lots of reasons for this, including that it didn’t move if I wasn’t concentrating on it, other papers on my desk weren’t affected, and I’d have noticed such a breeze in the room. I tried blowing on it to make it spin, and found that this created a very different, much wobblier and more uneven motion. I’m no engineer, but I think to get it to spin smoothly you’d need to aim a very fine channel of air onto the wheel, otherwise the pin acts as much like a pivot as an axle.

It was this smooth, steady, consistent action of the wheel that was most suggestive to me of something strange happening.

I do wonder if it was some sort of electrical effect. I skimmed through this thread and see that’s been discussed, but I’m not sure that any conclusions have ever been reached. I’m extremely interested if anyone can answer this. I could only make it work with my hands around it, I couldn’t get it to work at ‘long range’.

There’s a couple of other things I think I remember well, but I’d rather check the notes I kept before I state them with any certainty because they sound a bit loony:

After a little while, I could get it to change direction at will. I’m actually quite certain of this.

The speed of the rotation would depend upon how focused I was on moving the wheel. If my mind wandered or I was distracted, it would slow down and even stop.
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Many years ago I used to believe that I could dowse how many matches there were in a matchbox by using a pendulum,until I started keeping accurate records. I was fooling myself. If I did have this power,what use would it have been? How many times in life do you have to know how many matches there are in a matchbox? What use would it be to be able to move a small paper wheel with your mind? It's a waste of time.
 
dafydd said:
Many years ago I used to believe that I could dowse how many matches there were in a matchbox by using a pendulum,until I started keeping accurate records. I was fooling myself. If I did have this power,what use would it have been? How many times in life do you have to know how many matches there are in a matchbox? What use would it be to be able to move a small paper wheel with your mind? It's a waste of time.
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You could have earned yourself $1M.
 
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