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[Lucianarchy]

That's interesting, because when you first referred to Byrd, you spoke of him in the present tense.

Do you believe it is "fit" to tell me?



That's also interesting, because you know nothing of me than what I post here. Yet, you are very quick to paint me as a very bad character. You've smeared me, you've tried to silence me, you've lied about me.

It seems that your words contradict your actions.

No, Claus. You don't undersatnd. It is only some of your negative behaviour that I reject, the rest of you appears to be quite loveable.

 

[CFLarsen]

No, Claus. You don't undersatnd. It is only some of your negative behaviour that I reject, the rest of you appears to be quite loveable.

Then I suppose it is OK to tell me what Byrd said.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Then I suppose it is OK to tell me what Byrd said.

From what I already know of you, I believe it could seriously disturb you.

 

[CFLarsen]

From what I already know of you, I believe it could seriously disturb you.

Don't worry, I take full responsibility.

Let me have it.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Don't worry, I take full responsibility.

Let me have it.

Sorry. No can do. You can't take responsibility for what I choose to do. I don't want to use cliche's, but I actually believe you can't handle the truth yet.

 

[CFLarsen]

Sorry. No can do. You can't take responsibility for what I choose to do. I don't want to use cliche's, but I actually believe you can't handle the truth yet.

It's not that much of a mind-shattering piece of information.

But if you think it is, then I cannot understand how you are willing to run the same risk with flyboy217, who has only been here less than two months, and has only posted 125 times. Can you really judge another person's ability to recieve this based on so few posts??

You, who are so aware of risks like that?

I don't believe you would be that reckless.

 

[Lucianarchy]

It's not that much of a mind-shattering piece of information.

But if you think it is, then I cannot understand how you are willing to run the same risk with flyboy217, who has only been here less than two months, and has only posted 125 times. Can you really judge another person's ability to recieve this based on so few posts??

Yep. end of discussion.

 

[Nucular]

Sorry. No can do. You can't take responsibility for what I choose to do. I don't want to use cliche's, but I actually believe you can't handle the truth yet.

No truth-handler, you! Bah, I deride your truth-handling ability!

(sorry)

Well if he can't handle it, won't he just refuse to believe it? Because surely that's what your opinion is of most of the people on this board isn't it? So what's the harm?

Can I see too?

 

[CFLarsen]

Yep. end of discussion.

I see. Yet again, you point to evidence which we are not allowed to see. Yet again, you point to your connections to famous people in the paranormal world, but we cannot check it.

It really doesn't look good, you know...

 

[Lucianarchy]

I see. Yet again, you point to evidence which we are not allowed to see. Yet again, you point to your connections to famous people in the paranormal world, but we cannot check it.

It really doesn't look good, you know...

Guess what, Claus? I couldn't give a flying fork.

Let's just leave it as a 'need to know' thing. You don't need to know until I deem that you are ready.

 

[Nucular]

Re: Video

Also, you might find the following link interesting. Although it is hosted on Geller's site, it is an excerpt from a book by Kit Pedler:

http://www.uri-geller.com/books/mind-over-matter/momk07.htm

I wasn't too impressed with Kit Pedler's book overall - it jumps the gun in explaining phenomena using quantum physics before we can be sure that the phenomena exist; and all it really says in this respect is that some things in physics (e.g. quantum entanglement) are a bit like some of the things psychics say they can do.

But it's good to hear that he won't be convinced by a piece of film, even if he is a little over-credulous when it comes to some other slightly iffy experiments in various psi areas.

But another quote making on or two fairly good points, in the chapter "Do-It-Yourself Experiments":

Metal bending is certainly the most experimentally fraught area in the whole paranormal field. It is quite exceptionally difficult to set up conditions which would satisfy a [sceptical] investigator ... It is an ordinary human weakness to want to be successful ... In general, try and create conditions where the entire, recent and continuous history of the metal is known right up to the time when the metal enters the experimental arena. During the actual experiment, the metal must be under the continuous view of at least two independent observers. Above all, do not trust yourself as an observer.

Hey flyboy, have you seen that video yet?

 

[CFLarsen]

Guess what, Claus? I couldn't give a flying fork.

Male bovine manure. If you didn't, you wouldn't be making all these excuses for not revealing the information. You'd simply say no from the start.

Let's just leave it as a 'need to know' thing. You don't need to know until I deem that you are ready.

A 'need to know' thing? You want to show what you see as an important piece of information, one that will support the evidence that paranormal phenomena are real, to people, but it depends on when you "deem" them to be "ready" for it?

Fool. You have nothing. You only want to boost your own reputation. Same old manure from you.

 

[billydkid]

puleeeze

Guess what, Claus? I couldn't give a flying fork.

Let's just leave it as a 'need to know' thing. You don't need to know until I deem that you are ready.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

No I know why Luci was so annoyed when that photo of him was published. The guy's a government agent! We have compromised his secret "psidentity".

 

[Lucianarchy]

A 'need to know' thing? You want to show what you see as an important piece of information, one that will support the evidence that paranormal phenomena are real, to people, but it depends on when you "deem" them to be "ready" for it?

In respect of the information we are referring to re DR Byrd, yes. Absolutely.

 

[CFLarsen]

In respect of the information we are referring to re DR Byrd, yes. Absolutely.

But...what's so secret about it? All Byrd did was to attest to the phenomena, right? So, the cat's out of the bag.

Or are you going to inflate your claim? He told you more than that? Something that needs to be secret, because you have already spilled the beans: Byrd could attest to the phenomena.

So....what's so secret about this? Did Byrd get his information from somewhere we cannot know?

 

[flyboy217]

My friends attended the party last night. Both skeptical friends (both are Ph.D. students) are of the opinion that "something very interesting" happened. Both were briefed on potential cheating methods mentioned here, and were asked to stay vigilant.

Both experienced the metal becoming soft and pliable, and could twist the handle around with ease. Both are unwilling to completely rule out "normal causes," as they are physically able to perform similar feats on identical spoons, albeit with great effort.

They also witnessed an elderly woman next to them collapse the bowl of a spoon with apparently no effort, and no help. They thus feel they can rule out the possibility of Mr. Houck performing the feats for the audience members, but can draw no conclusions from this, as they could not confirm that the Oneida silver-plated spoon had never been tampered with. Their attempt to unbend the same bowl was unsuccessful, as was their attempt to perform the same feat on another spoon from the batch. Inconclusive.

Friend 3 also reported the metal becoming soft, and was able to perform twisting feats that apparently lie outside her normal range of strength. A later attempt by her to unbend the silverware failed, and she was also unable to cause the same outcome on an identical piece of flatware using "normal" methods.

All utensils were brought to the party by my friends, and never left their sight or hands.

Consensus: Further investigation warranted. They believe their experience is in agreement with Radin's and Crichton's testimonies.

Unfortunately, my friends are not interested in writing up a report themselves. I am relaying what they have told me, and will provide pictures when they are available. This post is meant as nothing but my report of their experience

 

[billydkid]

yeah...

My friends attended the party last night. Both skeptical friends (both are Ph.D. students) are of the opinion that "something very interesting" happened. Both were briefed on potential cheating methods mentioned here, and were asked to stay vigilant.

Both experienced the metal becoming soft and pliable, and could twist the handle around with ease. Both are unwilling to completely rule out "normal causes," as they are physically able to perform similar feats on identical spoons, albeit with great effort.

They also witnessed an elderly woman next to them collapse the bowl of a spoon with apparently no effort, and no help. They thus feel they can rule out the possibility of Mr. Houck performing the feats for the audience members, but can draw no conclusions from this, as they could not confirm that the Oneida silver-plated spoon had never been tampered with. Their attempt to unbend the same bowl was unsuccessful, as was their attempt to perform the same feat on another spoon from the batch. Inconclusive.

Friend 3 also reported the metal becoming soft, and was able to perform twisting feats that apparently lie outside her normal range of strength. A later attempt by her to unbend the silverware failed, and she was also unable to cause the same outcome on an identical piece of flatware using "normal" methods.

All utensils were brought to the party by my friends, and never left their sight or hands.

Consensus: Further investigation warranted. They believe their experience is in agreement with Radin's and Crichton's testimonies.

Unfortunately, my friends are not interested in writing up a report themselves. I am relaying what they have told me, and will provide pictures when they are available. This post is meant as nothing but my report of their experience

I see where this is going. Stop the presses - an amazing, supernatural phenomena which has escaped the general notice of mankind for tens of thousands of years is only now being be revealed though the efforts of those fearless enough to question scientific orthodoxy and linear thinking. Quick, someone contact the National Enquirer.

 

[Interesting Ian]

My friends attended the party last night. Both skeptical friends (both are Ph.D. students) are of the opinion that "something very interesting" happened. Both were briefed on potential cheating methods mentioned here, and were asked to stay vigilant.

Both experienced the metal becoming soft and pliable, and could twist the handle around with ease.

Hmmm . . . they definitely used their own spoons?

Both are unwilling to completely rule out "normal causes," as they are physically able to perform similar feats on identical spoons, albeit with great effort.

I don't understand this; it should be very clear whether they are using less strength than they normally do in order to get spoons to bend.

Friend 3 also reported the metal becoming soft, and was able to perform twisting feats that apparently lie outside her normal range of strength. A later attempt by her to unbend the silverware failed, and she was also unable to cause the same outcome on an identical piece of flatware using "normal" methods.

All utensils were brought to the party by my friends, and never left their sight or hands.

Consensus: Further investigation warranted. They believe their experience is in agreement with Radin's and Crichton's testimonies.

Further investigation is always to be desired. Nevertheless, if what you say is an accurate portrayal of the events that occurred, it seems pretty clear to me that something interesting was happening.

 

[CFLarsen]

My friends attended the party last night. Both skeptical friends (both are Ph.D. students) are of the opinion that "something very interesting" happened. Both were briefed on potential cheating methods mentioned here, and were asked to stay vigilant.

Both experienced the metal becoming soft and pliable, and could twist the handle around with ease. Both are unwilling to completely rule out "normal causes," as they are physically able to perform similar feats on identical spoons, albeit with great effort.

They also witnessed an elderly woman next to them collapse the bowl of a spoon with apparently no effort, and no help. They thus feel they can rule out the possibility of Mr. Houck performing the feats for the audience members, but can draw no conclusions from this, as they could not confirm that the Oneida silver-plated spoon had never been tampered with. Their attempt to unbend the same bowl was unsuccessful, as was their attempt to perform the same feat on another spoon from the batch. Inconclusive.

Friend 3 also reported the metal becoming soft, and was able to perform twisting feats that apparently lie outside her normal range of strength. A later attempt by her to unbend the silverware failed, and she was also unable to cause the same outcome on an identical piece of flatware using "normal" methods.

All utensils were brought to the party by my friends, and never left their sight or hands.

Consensus: Further investigation warranted. They believe their experience is in agreement with Radin's and Crichton's testimonies.

Fantastic! Now, let's do just that. Let's investigate further.

Unfortunately, my friends are not interested in writing up a report themselves. I am relaying what they have told me, and will provide pictures when they are available. This post is meant as nothing but my report of their experience

Aw, shucks.....now, why is it that this excuse always come up, even after such fantastic results are being reported? Why not investigate further? Why step back from a truly amazing discovery, that will fundamentally change the way we understand the universe?

Who is afraid of reality, the skeptics or the believers?