Pizzagate

Cosmic Yak said:
Thinking about this, I'm wondering about the assumptions about Satanism that underpin some of this nonsense.
For example, the antlers. Is there any established association between antlers and Satanism? The devil is usually depicted with goat horns, not antlers. Antlers are more of a pagan thing, AFAIK, and not associated with Satan.
More importantly, paedophilia itself. Is that a Satanic thing? Are all Satanists paedophiles? Is it part of the religion, or is that just made up?
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Some light googling will reveal this undercurrent pretty well.

I've had some fun with "Is Hillary Clinton really a Demon?" and seeing what sites come up.

And "alex jones demon" video searches in google..;)

There's a lot of christian conspiracy theorists and they tend to tie the conspirators to satanism/demons, whereas secular conspiracy people connect to much more plausible things - like reptilian aliens who inhabit human skin.

Been a while since I dropped into this thread - certainly been seeing the connection to Satanic Ritual Abuse moral panics of the 80s and 90s.

A lot of this is just replay for a certain set who have been playing these types of games in their heads for years
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Isn't this typical "Rove Gambit?"

I might have my terms mixed up, but simply put "accuse your opponent of your own worst qualities."
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I thought it was "use your opponent's strong point against them" For example, in one of the first races he worked with the Democrat was known to work with charities that helped children. So Rove started a whisper campaign that the guy was a pedophile.

But yours fits too....
 
So I heard about "Pizzagate" and thought it was crazy. Then I read this thread and saw the "evidence", and now I think it's downright insane.

A useful, constructive point that can be made here, though, is perhaps that this is part of the public hysteria surrounding child abuse. We struggle to have an actual discussion on the topic, and trust me, we could have one, the knowledge and experts are out there, but they're drowned out by the prudes and others who see child abusers behind every tree, the lynch mob that screams about castraction and death sentences, and all the rampant ignorance and myths in general.

Survivor of attempted abuse or not, when you see a picture of a kid with pasta and you think the hashtag going "#ineedthis" is evidence of sexual abuse of children, you need to take that famous step back and question what it really is you're doing. You're not helping the cause by being hysterical.
 
It really never had anything to do with child abuse, no more than the Jade helm hoax did or the baby parts thing did or whatever other propaganda circle jerk the alt right gets into next.
 
And when this year's Jade Helm is conducted, if the same folks aren't screaming that Donald's getting ready to (insert Nefarious Scheme #236 here), we'll have a good idea just how serious they are about the cause.
 
RussDill said:
It really never had anything to do with child abuse, no more than the Jade helm hoax did or the baby parts thing did or whatever other propaganda circle jerk the alt right gets into next.
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Oh, a lot of them definitely believe this. That guy wouldn't have charged in there armed to the teeth if he didn't genuenly believe child abuse was going on there.

There's a difference between Drumf sitting on his butt ranting about how AGW is a Chinese hoax or that he can "lock up" Hillary, or fake news sites getting rich spreading their BS stories, and actual CTers sitting in basements cooking up conspiracy theories. Drumf and the fake news sites caters to the CTers and other gullible people, sure, which is as we know tremendously dangerous, but I don't think the higher-ups believe much of what they spout.
 
I guess my point is that child abuse is not the common thread and I'm really doubtful these CTers would go after an alleged child abuser that is not part of an alt right conspiracy.
 
RussDill said:
I guess my point is that child abuse is not the common thread and I'm really doubtful these CTers would go after an alleged child abuser that is not part of an alt right conspiracy.
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Exactly, rescuing the victims or saving the innocent never seems to be the driving goal. That's why the level of input remains 'posting stuff on the internet.' When the real goal is convincing people that a specific person or group of people is/are really, really bad and liking them is wrong, that's all the level of commitment required. Sadly, the few people who do take the claims seriously end up doing something stupid. Real organized action on pizzagate would involve protests in front of the Hoover building 24/7 or pooling money together to get one of those machines that maps underground to prove the existence of the basement and tunnels theory, etc. That would be a sensible way to approach it if one were actually interested in rescuing innocent children.

That takes more resources than the goal of discrediting a disliked person requires, so that's why we don't see it happening.
 
RussDill said:
I guess my point is that child abuse is not the common thread and I'm really doubtful these CTers would go after an alleged child abuser that is not part of an alt right conspiracy.
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I agree. There is a scandal currently engulfing football in the UK- people coming forward talking about years of institutionalised child abuse going back decades. There has been, and continues to be, a studied and noticeable silence from CT sites. Compare that with the storm over alleged child abuse among British politicians, which turned out to be false.
These stories are agenda-driven, not motivated by any desire to protect children.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
I agree. There is a scandal currently engulfing football in the UK- people coming forward talking about years of institutionalised child abuse going back decades. There has been, and continues to be, a studied and noticeable silence from CT sites. Compare that with the storm over alleged child abuse among British politicians, which turned out to be false.
These stories are agenda-driven, not motivated by any desire to protect children.
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And another notable difference is that in the genuine situations the investigations have begun when victims have come forward, victims who never appear in the CTs lurid theories.
 
Praktik said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...izzagate-conspiracy-an-nba-player-s-knee.html

The latest twist!!
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Great summary, from the link:
The conspiracy stems from Bogut’s tepid public support of investigating Pizzagate, a conspiracy theory that began on alt-right subreddits and 4chan, and which claims there is a global child sex ring based out of the basement of a Washington D.C. pizza shop that has no basement. The repeatedly debunked claims are entirely founded on perceived “codewords” in Hillary Clinton campaign advisor John Podesta’s leaked emails.
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Thanks, Praktik!
 
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