Pink Slime

[Joey McGee]

Also, stop lying about what I've posted, in particular, this OUTRIGHT LIE: "even invented a conspiracy theory that BFI paid off the labs to fake the results." I don't know that anyone posted any such thing but I sure as hell didn't.

When I posted the lab reports you stated that they were not trustworthy and only reluctantly read them and commented, using much the same arguments as turtles just did. As if you don't remember that... yes I am done debating you over and over again it's been hashed out and there is no new information.

I'm not handwaving anything. The system works, no contaminated batches have left the factory and no one has gotten sick. It's not because the system doesn't work, those two batches got contaminated because their ammonia injector failed, the product is safe as USDA maintains and people from Foodbourne Illness activist organizations maintain. People who have lost their children to foodbourne illness defend this company and product as safe and responsible. They are both seriously wrong and delusional according to you.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

When I posted the lab reports you stated that they were not trustworthy and only reluctantly read them and commented, using much the same arguments as turtles just did. As if you don't remember that... yes I am done debating you over and over again it's been hashed out and there is no new information.

So your distortion:

... "even invented a conspiracy theory that BFI paid off the labs to fake the results." ...

is supposedly because I said you were citing a marketing study by manufacturers? That's what you call a conspiracy theory? You think manufacturers never produce fake 'satisfied customer' surveys?

Riiiight.

I'm not handwaving anything. The system works, no contaminated batches have left the factory and no one has gotten sick. It's not because the system doesn't work, those two batches got contaminated because their ammonia injector failed, the product is safe as USDA maintains and people from Foodbourne Illness activist organizations maintain. People who have lost their children to foodbourne illness defend this company and product as safe and responsible. They are both seriously wrong and delusional according to you.

Did you not read the NYT article? The contaminated meat was found at the school lunch kitchens, not at the factory.

But to repeat for the umpteenth time, safety has never been my point of contention. Labeling has because I don't like the texture and want the option of buying burger without it.

 

[Joey McGee]

So your distortion:

... "even invented a conspiracy theory that BFI paid off the labs to fake the results." ...

is supposedly because I said you were citing a marketing study by manufacturers? That's what you call a conspiracy theory? You think manufacturers never produce fake 'satisfied customer' surveys?

Riiiight.

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm retarded. I thought when you accuse people of doing illegal and nefarious things in a coordinated and intentional manner that's a conspiracy theory. I don't think it NEVER HAPPENS what a joke, you made me laugh out loud. It doesn't look like it here at all. You think can just mention fraud happens as a handwave, it's very funny.

Did you not read the NYT article? The contaminated meat was found at the school lunch kitchens, not at the factory.

I have read that article at least 10 times. Quote it and show me because the fact is, no one has ever gotten sick, no one was even ALMOST served contaminated meat. Ever. So spell it out and be very clear.

But to repeat for the umpteenth time, safety has never been my point of contention. Labeling has because I don't like the texture and want the option of buying burger without it.

pfft you haven't proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt and plus, no one cares. It's not as cut and dried as you claim and we have study after study showing that people prefer burgers with this product in them. You just DON'T LIKE those studies.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm sorry, perhaps I'm retarded. I thought when you accuse people of doing illegal and nefarious things in a coordinated and intentional manner that's a conspiracy theory. I don't think it NEVER HAPPENS what a joke, you made me laugh out loud. It doesn't look like it here at all. You think can just mention fraud happens as a handwave, it's very funny.

I think people who don't recognize the typical tactics of marketers are missing the obvious. I don't consider marketing to be a conspiracy theory but maybe one could define it as such. Do you also believe doctors recommend 5-Hour Energy for their patients? Surprise surprise, Taste tests may be misleading. Gee, I wonder how they do that?

I have read that article at least 10 times. Quote it and show me because the fact is, no one has ever gotten sick, no one was even ALMOST served contaminated meat. Ever. So spell it out and be very clear.

Goal post shift noted. I never claimed anyone got sick. You said the bacteria were found before the burger left the plant and I said NO, THE BACTERIA WERE FOUND AFTER THE BURGER REACHED THE SCHOOL LUNCH KITCHENS.

pfft you haven't proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt and plus, no one cares. It's not as cut and dried as you claim and we have study after study showing that people prefer burgers with this product in them. You just DON'T LIKE those studies.

More straw. I don't deny it is an individual preference and some people don't mind or even prefer the burger. That doesn't change the fact I clearly established the texture is different and some people don't like it. Those of us who don't like it have a right to know which burger has it so we can avoid it. We shouldn't have to return burger or throw it out because the texture is a crapshoot buying burger.

 

[Skeptical Greg]

It's only a crapshoot if you buy burger from a source you can't trust to be truthful ..

Why would you do that ?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's only a crapshoot if you buy burger from a source you can't trust to be truthful ..

Why would you do that ?

I realize this is a 28 page thread so I'll just quote from my first post to bring you up to speed on my personal specific complaint with LFTB:

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This might explain what I've been trying to figure out for years now. The hamburger I consume some years back started tasting awful, mostly because of the texture that seemed 'gristley' to me. It got to the point that the only hamburger I found not to have that texture which I found distasteful was the organic stuff at Whole Foods. It costs as much as a good steak from Safeway. Whole Foods grinds their own burger at the store.

QFC meat department claimed they also ground their own hamburger but it turns out the Kroger brand contained the 'product'. They are now reporting they will quit using it.

I was talking to the Whole Foods butcher about this just a couple days ago. I asked him if it was possible there was some new way the meat was taken off the bone or some other processing thing that would account for the grisley texture of all the commercial hamburger. The butcher didn't know of anything.....

So I did finally resort to only buying $9.99/pound burger to avoid the problem with the texture that no one could explain.

All of my inquiries to store meat department workers over a decade got the same answer, "there is no change that we're aware of". I suspected there was some change in how the meat was recovered. But no one selling the meat had an answer. And of course, it's because the producers did their best to hide the fact they were adding more tendons and connective tissue to decrease the fat percentage of the burger.

 

[Joey McGee]

I think people who don't recognize the typical tactics of marketers are missing the obvious. I don't consider marketing to be a conspiracy theory but maybe one could define it as such. Do you also believe doctors recommend 5-Hour Energy for their patients? Surprise surprise, Taste tests may be misleading. Gee, I wonder how they do that?

Your new nickname is laugh factory.

Goal post shift noted. I never claimed anyone got sick. You said the bacteria were found before the burger left the plant and I said NO, THE BACTERIA WERE FOUND AFTER THE BURGER REACHED THE SCHOOL LUNCH KITCHENS.

Quote it, prove it, show us that this is a fact using... facts.

More straw. I don't deny it is an individual preference and some people don't mind or even prefer the burger. That doesn't change the fact I clearly established the texture is different and some people don't like it. Those of us who don't like it have a right to know which burger has it so we can avoid it. We shouldn't have to return burger or throw it out because the texture is a crapshoot buying burger.

You have a right to have delusional ideas about meat, but you don't have a right to punish those companies with lies about their products because you are paranoid.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Give it up, Joey. If anyone is ignoring the evidence, it's you.

Had they labeled their product, they'd still be in business today. But the makers of this product chose to pay off the regulators and slip it in under the public radar. They had a decade of profits and now only themselves to blame for plant closures.

My guess is, the product will resurface. Whether they learn their lesson and label it, however, is anyone's guess.

 

[Joey McGee]

Wow you just passed on the opportunity to provide evidence for your claim that contaminated meat almost killed people... sleep good

 

[Joey McGee]

The conceded back-patting about putting this company out of business because they didn't hop to when confronted with your conspiracy theories is also funny

 

[Joey McGee]

the makers of this product chose to pay off the regulators and slip it in under the public radar

They DID? WOW! How do you know this? How much did they bribe them? Why isn't there a huge court case? Why aren't the prosecutors around the country acting on the evidence that you possess but choose not to share with us?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Wow you just passed on the opportunity to provide evidence for your claim that contaminated meat almost killed people... sleep good

Wow, no matter how many times I tell you this is not my issue, you keep fighting this straw man.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The conceded back-patting about putting this company out of business because they didn't hop to when confronted with your conspiracy theories is also funny

Conceded? Did you mean conceited?

So now your argument is I am gloating over people losing their jobs? Puhleese.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

They DID? WOW! How do you know this? How much did they bribe them? Why isn't there a huge court case? Why aren't the prosecutors around the country acting on the evidence that you possess but choose not to share with us?

Yes, of course, if there is no court case then it must not have happened.

To review, it was discussed on page 3 of the thread:

This from ABC News:

The “pink slime” does not have to appear on the label because, over objections of its own scientists, USDA officials with links to the beef industry labeled it meat.

“The under secretary said, ‘it’s pink, therefore it’s meat,’” Custer told ABC News.

ABC News has learned the woman who made the decision to OK the mix is a former undersecretary of agriculture, Joann Smith. It was a call that led to hundred of millions of dollars for Beef Products Inc., the makers of pink slime.

When Smith stepped down from the USDA in 1993, BPI’s principal major supplier appointed her to its board of directors, where she made at least $1.2 million over 17 years.

Joann Smith has enough cash now to eat aged prime steak for brunch. I doubt she dines on slime burgers.

It was then brought up that $1.2 million over 17 years wasn't much for a full time job. However, the job was on the board of directors, which typically works about 4 days a year. That comes to $10,000/a day. Sure seems like a way to cover up a million dollar+ bribe.

 

[Ryokan]

Story On Swift

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/1880-the-ethical-case-for-pink-slime.html

The ethical point is one I've argued (In this thread, even) is really the main benefit of 'pink slime'. It makes sense, and it's strange to me that (Skeptik Ginger aside) it's groups that often also care about animal welfare that are speaking out against it.

 

[Joey McGee]

Wow, no matter how many times I tell you this is not my issue, you keep fighting this straw man.

I'm merely asking you do defend this statement with facts "I said NO, THE BACTERIA WERE FOUND AFTER THE BURGER REACHED THE SCHOOL LUNCH KITCHENS." All caps and all, I want the proof

 

[Joey McGee]

Conceded? Did you mean conceited?

I sure did, thanks friend! Oh wait are you trying to score a point?

So now your argument is I am gloating over people losing their jobs? Puhleese.

No you're gloating at the system "working" and "sticking it to the man" and making up lies about them being paid off in order to bolster this little fantasy you have

 

[Joey McGee]

Yes, of course, if there is no court case then it must not have happened.

To review, it was discussed on page 3 of the thread: It was then brought up that $1.2 million over 17 years wasn't much for a full time job. However, the job was on the board of directors, which typically works about 4 days a year. That comes to $10,000/a day. Sure seems like a way to cover up a million dollar+ bribe.

Laugh factory, I'm amazed at this one. BPI paid the USDA to look the other way by hiring someone that used to work there. That's *********** hilarious. And this is your proof that they were paid off. Are you just trolling or what? That's not proof of anything. That's not obviously a payoff. You have to imagine that it is, and that's what you're doing. You don't like these people. You don't like the product. No one cares what you think we care what you can prove and you're absolutely full of it! Look how easily you assume how much she worked and that she doesn't deserve it, you don't like how much people get paid at the highest levels of coporatism which helps you invent the conspiracy theory that this was a bribe. Some *********** bribe! Omg 1.2 mil over 17 YEARS? Are you serious!?!? And all to smuggle dog food into people's burger! You can't get funnier and I do enjoy this subject for this reason.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The ethical point is one I've argued (In this thread, even) is really the main benefit of 'pink slime'. It makes sense, and it's strange to me that (Skeptik Ginger aside) it's groups that often also care about animal welfare that are speaking out against it.

There's no doubt the far left woos have this issue all wrong.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

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No you're gloating at the system "working" and "sticking it to the man" and making up lies about them being paid off in order to bolster this little fantasy you have

Man, you really have me mixed up with someone else.