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Pilots for truth

I followed that thread in the "Debate" (the term is very loosely applied at P4T) section HeyLeroy. Mostly I was curious to see when you would actually get banned. IIRC no one actually attempted much of a debate with you. Seems they were mostly concerned about your sexual orientation, political affiliation and life history.

I truly got a chuckle out of :
Wake me up, when you did at least a little research about... <<snip>> physics, about english grammar....

and, btw: I answered detailed to your link with the silly animation about AA77 in
the Pentacon- thread and still wait for you to response.

Stay at one topic for the beginning. Beeing gay is no excuse for being inconsequent.
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Perhaps checking into grammar and spelling would be in order for Carl.
 
I got banned for not disclosing my real name.....

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So it would seem that D'oh had to circumvent his own rules just to ban 'lil ol me. As far as I could tell no else had a problem with me, and I broke absolutely none of the posted rules.... ;)
 
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Hahha, I didn't realize one of his rules is that 'harassing people' for their real info is forbidden. That's so ironic given his "TELL ME WHO YOU ARE SO I CAN FIGHT YOU" approach to 'professional' debate.
 
Anti-sophist said:
Hahha, I didn't realize one of his rules is that 'harassing people' for their real info is forbidden. That's so ironic given his "TELL ME WHO YOU ARE SO I CAN FIGHT YOU" approach to 'professional' debate.
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I think the rule is worded poorly, I think he means:

"Debunkers, JREFers and other assorted government loyalist scum are not allowed to ask our members for their qualifications. However, we may demand that said loyalist scum disclose not only their qualifications, but their real names, so we can call them at their homes repeatedly to badger them into some kind of recorded debate."
 
Didn't we have to do some pretty serious digging to find out who JDX was in the first place? We basically forced him to admit it. If we hadn't he'd still be hiding befind "JohnDoeX."

And THEN, after all that, he has the stones to say "I'm not afraid to put my name on my work."
 
Gravy said:
I challenged JDX (Rob Balsamo) to a debate about flight 77 hitting the Pentagon. He first accepted, then said I should be executed and deleted the thread in which I posted my debate proposal. That was the second time he called for my execution. And he's their leader. Who would like to join me in a chorus of hallelujahs that this creep is no longer in command of passenger planes?
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There's little doubt that, if these 'truthers' ever came to power, there would be widespread executions. I don't know if that means you ought to be flattered, scared, or just bewildered.

For all the talk of 'world peace' I've witnessed from 9/11 'truthers' they have to be the most sanguine individuals I've ever known.
 
B-Man said:
Well I'm a 747 Captain and I made one post before I was banned.
But then again, JDX has a very poor record of debating me.
It's easier just to make me not exist.
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They make unpleasant views disappear. They live in a total lie.

It good to have another pilot among us. Can we get also your professional view on the flight maneuvres of the hijackers? Does the loop performed by Hani Hanjour, or the hijackers' ability to control their planes and hit their targets surprise you at all? I think we know the answer.
 
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They make unpleasant views disappear. They live in a total lie.

It good to have another pilot among us. Can we get also your professional view on the flight maneuvres of the hijackers? Does the loop performed by Hani Hanjour, or the hijackers' ability to control their planes and hit their targets surprise you at all? I think we know the answer.
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There was a long thread on the old LC Forum in the Skeptics section where B-Man posting as Billzilla discussed this at length with JDX. He schooled JDX on some very basic pilot stuff until JDX threatened to "Introduce him to the second amendment". A textbook case of CT madness.

Oh BTW are the pilots still selling BBQ aprons? I have a friend who might like one.
 
Ah, yes, the good ol' days on the old LC. I have to say, Bill's schooling of JDX was one of the most thorough and complete schoolings I have ever witnessed. Bill obviously had full command of the facts, and JDX was lucky to have full command of his rectum after Bill was done.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Ah, yes, the good ol' days on the old LC. I have to say, Bill's schooling of JDX was one of the most thorough and complete schoolings I have ever witnessed. Bill obviously had full command of the facts, and JDX was lucky to have full command of his rectum after Bill was done.
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I did enjoy the way Bill kept popping back in after every time JDX banned him. I'm generally not a fan of sock-puppetry, but when people like JDX are wielding the ban hammer I think it is justified(and funny).
 
This was Bill's blaze o' glory.
:alert: Caution, this post may contain language unsuitable for minors, parental guidance is suggested.

Billzilla said:
Made my last post on the JDX Looser Pilot forum.
Here is is .... I wanted to be nasty, 'cause he's been a right dickhead on it.
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This is likely to be my last post here, as I'm really not interested in arguing with idiots. It's pointless as JDX is not mentally equipped to understand what is being discussed. I am also going to post a copy of this on the JREF forum because I know it'll be edited here to make JDX look like less than the total ass he really is. You can delete it, change it, anything at all , you'll still be on record and can't escape it.
So, I'll go in a blaze of glory.
Nope.
I was responding directly to what you wrote on the Youtube site and not from anywhere else. That much is obvious to those that can read and understand English. And no, you're wrong in when saying that an AA 757 would have a normal descent rate of 3,500 – 4,000 fpm. A real airline pilot knows that virtually all airliners descend at 290KIAS to 310KIAS and virtually all use the 'three-to-one' profile for planning descent. That means that the descent rate is very much the same for all airliners. True, it varies with altitude, but not to over double the typical value. But again they vary, for example the Airbus A-330 uses a 4-to-1 descent path, so at the same indicated airspeed the descent rate will be less. This is due to the low wing loading.
I am very familiar with small jets such as Lears. Like with your childish change of one of my handles to 'Alan Cessnadriver', I am more than happy to admit I flew thousands of hours in Cessna's - 150's, 152's, 172's, 182's, 206'2, 210's, 310's, 340's, 402's, 500's, and 550's. I have most of my time in the Captain's seat of a Citation 2 (C-550) though, and AFAIK the youngest Citation Captain in the country. So yes, I do know about small jets, and your attempt at an insult just makes you look even more childish and ignorant.
You see, yet again you're confusing two different things and trying to make them the same point – There's a normal descent and the 4,000 fpm one that the 757 did. 4,000 fpm is in excess of the normal descent rate, but well within the capabilities of a 757, especially with the very high airspeed. You do know that high airspeeds allow for high descent rates, don't you? It's simple physics.
Yes, but you're really stupid. You see, it's hard to tell when you're choosing to type something stupid or not intending to do so. So it's a mistake that's easily made by anyone that reads your rubbish, you should be used to it by now.
Um no. How about we post some of the places where Google Earth is wrong, really wrong. I had a look around the hotel where I'm sitting right now as I type this, and as I run the pointer up the hill around the corner the elevation goes up ..... then down as the pointer gets to the top of the hill.
My own house I know to be hundreds of feet in error.
A really good one is when I ran the pointer over the intersection where the first pole was hit by the 757, near the Pentagon. The east/west(ish) road that runs physically below the north/south(ish) road comes up as being physically three feet higher than the road above it. An Escher reality ... ?
No, it's called 'inaccurate'.
Now JDX this is a funny thing that you need to know about, and it's called 'scientific method'. What you and the other CT morons do is just look for the data & information you want to find, then say “Ah-ha!!! This is proof!” You pre-decide to ignore anything that might contradict that, and that's poor science. So while you can jump up & down and claim “it's a conspiracy!!!” all you like, you should not attempt to use your selective proofs as they are just plain wrong.
Now you may not (want to) understand this, so I'll use an analogy - You're an idiot and are pretty much wrong all the time. However, very occasionally you're right. (Though this is most likely an accident or sheer random luck) Because you don't understand how the proof thing works, you think you're right all the time, but everyone else knows you're wrong - Even the people you haven't banned yet. (Oh that's right, you've had your moderator privileges removed, 'cause in the modern vernacular, you really suck) This is poor science, as you do not look at all the evidence.
( I doubt you'll understand this point)
Perhaps another example is how every time we 'discuss' something, I am right and you are wrong. Now this doesn't mean I'm right all the time, but I do a pretty good job, all things considered.
No, they don't. As I explained earlier – in a very simple fashion I thought was pretty clear – you don't need to correct for barometric pressure. So I'll try again and use crayons so you might understand.
We know that the 757 hit the Pentagon at such-and-such a height.
We know the descent path of the 757 in both forward and vertical speed.
So, working backwards from that, We can plot the flight path pretty accurately.
Now we already know that the elevation data from Google Earth is as useful as a truckload of dehydrated water, so we have to use something that is better than a half-arsed guess. Fortunately, the good people at the JREF forum have given me the elevation of the area as being pretty much exactly as I predicted.
So the theory of the 757 not hitting the poles is utterly dead and buried. You can try to twist it any way you like, but the numbers are good and proven.
And as was mentioned elsewhere, the fact that the AA 757 was seen by many witnesses to fly right where the poles where, then into the Pentagon where it was seen to explode. Then later on, 757 wreckage was found at the site, and later still DNA from the passengers identified.
So it's kinda hard to understand what else could have possibly gone on.
Oh, and perhaps of importance is that although a heap of people saw the 757 hit the building, if it was supposed to fly over and miss it, why did no-one at all see it leave the scene? Now because you're not very bright I doubt you'll pick that the previous sentence is a rhetorical one.
No it's not.
You see, you're guessing again and you're wrong. You just assume that 4,000 fpm is pretty steep when it's not. It feels like it in the plane, but from outside the angle is something like a 9° angle at that speed. So it's not steep at all.
Well the small man here would be you.
Who is the incurable hypocrite that has banned me here, for being unprofessional, making personal insults, etc? Well, that's you, you petty little tyrant.
I did nothing here that remotely broke any rules, yet you felt the need to ban me for absolutely no good reason. But since you're determined to make it personal, I have gone out of my way here to return the favour.
I used large fonts as a joke on the Looser forum because other Loosers used it to make strong points. I normally don't have to resort to that but I thought I'd just try to fit in a little better. Make you feel at home, that sort of thing. I used it on the JREF forum to try to get you to understand that I had no intention of making trouble here, but since you clearly want it, here it is.

So how are you an idiot?
Let us count the ways.
On the Looser forum, I made a simple post about how it would be possible to use a marker pen to make the job of hitting the Pentagon very easy. I described two different uses for that system, one was teaching people to turn an aeroplane and the other other to aid in hitting a target.
Let's make it a little story. It's not meant to be word-for-word accurate but it's essentially correct. I'm just doing it this way 'cause it's funny.
Bill: Describes how to use marker dot to hit target.
JDX: “That won't work!! Different airspeeds will change the pitch angle so you'll miss!”
Bill: “Nope, keep the dot on the target and you'll hit it. It's really simple to understand.”
JDX: “Not it won't!!!”
(gap)
JDX: Makes new thread on the Pprune aviation forum about this. Everyone (apart from him) immediately understands it and says it's right. Including a couple of guys from the military, one of which really is a rocket scientist and specialises in anti-aircraft missiles. JDX still doesn't understand, and still doesn't to this day.
Ooh, then later you mentioned that all the guys in the crew room got a good laugh out of the marker pen trick. So how is that if you're too stupid to understand such a simple thing, how can you possibly explain it so it makes sense to anyone? Anyone at all?
(later)
JDX: “If you were a real pilot, you'd know what QB means!!!!”
Bill: “Never heard of it sorry.”
JDX: “HA!! Your not a pilot then!!! How about slam-click?!?!?!”
Bill: “Nope. Dude, I'm not an American, I don't know American slang. I don't fly there, I don't work there, I rarely work with them.”
JDX: “HA!!! Your not a pilot then!!
JDX: Makes more US-specific slang phrases.
Bill: About eleventy billion times tells JDX that he's not from the US, so he's never heard of them before. Considers using a heap of Aussie slang phrases, but already knows that such a subtle point would be completely lost on such an idiot.

(later)
JDX: Still carrying on about Bill not really being a pilot, despite a lot of people confirming this from several different sources. One guy even says specifically which airline I work for, and that I'm a 747 Captain, but JDX kinda misses or ignores that and keeps going. Makes threats about turning Bill into the FAA.
Bill: Another eleventy billion times says that he doesn't live, work, or fly in the US and has nothing to do with the FAA.

(later)

JDX: Getting fed up with getting his arse kicked every which-way, “Gonna use Ammendment two on you!!!”
Bill: (For about the eleventy billionth time says, “I'm not an American, I don't know what that means.”
JDX: Carries on anyway, ignoring the many many many times that Bill's said that.
Someone Else: Explains that Ammendment2 is something to do with the people being armed with big guns & the like. So it seems that out big hero JDX solves his problems by shooting them full of holes with a penis substitute.

There was more, but I couldn't be arsed going on as to how stupid he is.
So what have other people got to say about the stupid things he's said? Let's go to the videotape .....
Oops, kinda forgot that real airline pilots know this, did we?
The little bag that you carry your headphones to the 172 in can't carry a uniform, maybe you got them confused .... ?
How surprising. Again no real knowledge of what really goes on inside a real airliner.
And one of my favourites ...
Wow, the guy that replaced you as a moderator having a go at you. So why exactly did you get kicked off the mod team? The answer is of course exactly what Russell wrote.
You just ignore or delete or ban anything that you don't want to hear. That's poor science and a very poor way of doing research. School children do more thorough work than that.
In short, you're just trying to reinforce your own little fantasies.
Now one from JDX himself
So you really have no idea that civilian radar is totally different to military radar? I'm really at a loss to describe how massively ignorant that is.
We'll just leave it as 'stupid'.
How about this little jem?
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So you claim to be an airline pilot, yet have never heard of ACARS? That's seriously hard to believe. Pretty much every modern airline for the last ten or twenty years has used it on many of their aeroplanes. How about SELCAL? Heard of that arcane device?
This whole thing just demonstrates that you are just not to be trusted to produce anything that can be trusted. There's serious doubt that you're an airline pilot as you have shown again and again you know little of what really goes on behind the scenes in an airline. There are many that doubt you're a real pilot as well, and to be sure there is quite a lot of good evidence of this.
But of one thing there is not the slightest doubt.
You're an incurable idiot. You are an idiot now, and are likely to be for the rest of your unfortunately pathetic life.

Like so many conspiracy theory people in times past, the 11/9 nutters will be remembered as sad little people, trying to push their sad little dreams of fantasy onto people. They will be laughed at and scorned for decades to come .... but a few people will stand out as the ringleaders of falsehood and objects of scorn. One of course will be Avery, and another will be JDX. JDX will be mostly remembered for his tyranical and extremely hypocritical views of 11/9. He will be a source of amusement and disgust for many thousands of people for many years to come. The legend of his stupidity will live on for people to laugh at.

Goodbye, and let all those who by various misfortunes make posts here please realise your mistake and, yes, blame the government for 11/9 – But not for organising it, but for not recognising it was coming.

Billzilla.
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How's that read?
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This post is, of course, gone
 
It seems I've been missing a lot of action... A pity it seems JDXs original claims were lost when you transfered that post to here m8.

Could someone summarize what's been going on between JDX and umm others? (A short, or lenghty if you feel like it, "whos' who" and "whats' what" deal, for us who weren't here (and there apparently) at the time?

Cheers
S
 
Someone has claimed that JDX has 'stolen" the identity of a real pilot. I do not accept this without substantial proof.

I do accept however that JDX is seriously lacking in the basics and is very lucky he got himself grounded before he ended up as an aluminium rainshower.

He has said on more than one occasion that he 'volunteered' his services to the USAF after 9/11 but was told to continue his airline career. Considering his age, I'm pretty sure this was a "go away and don't bother us" type of reply.
 
Stellafane said:
I think I've said this before, but I like it so much I'll shamelessly repeat it: "Pilots for Truth" is one of those names, like "Holy Roman Empire" and "English Horn, " where not one single word is true.
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Like "Help America Vote Act" and "Patriot Act."
 
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