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Pickens plan

mr rosewater said:
Oh wow you went on the Internets and found a wikipedia, good for you. So what's your plan since you don't like Pickens. Oh that's right you would build a wind farm yourself if you could get Uncle sugar daddy to front you. Well whats your plan?
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How old are you? Haven't you ever learned to follow the money?

And actually, I have nothing but respect for a conman as accomplished as T. Boone!


Oh, and my "plan" for what exactly? Please be very specific as to exactly what "problem" you want solved other than how to squander taxpayer money.
 
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Oh the how old are you insult I'll just tuck that away and stop reading your post. He's building it as far as I understand PTC or no. What money? He's 80 yrs old do you really think he will see this thing turn a profit. BS no plan thank you.
 
Just watch and see what develops "in the coming weeks" as he "rolls out his plan".

No need to rush to judgement at the moment as to his motives.
 
Beerina said:
Just watch and see what develops "in the coming weeks" as he "rolls out his plan".

No need to rush to judgement at the moment as to his motives.
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Excellent point. I look forward to seeing the details of his grand plan. ;)
 
balrog666 said:
Bye.
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Ya know you really should go fly a kite, it's fun, but before you do why not look at Harry Reid's plan

http://reid.senate.gov/issues/energy.cfm


Supporting Renewable Energy in Nevada and Across America
Nevada has the potential to be the nation’s renewable energy epicenter. Southern Nevada’s clear sunny days make it one of the best locations for solar energy in the world, and northern Nevada holds the largest amount of untapped geothermal resources in the United States. There are tremendous wind resources throughout the state.

That is why I have consistently supported a national renewable electricity standard, as well as fair and stable federal tax incentives for development of clean energy resources, like geothermal, solar, and wind. I have worked hard to add geothermal energy to the list of renewable energy projects eligible for the renewable energy production tax credit and loan guarantees. I also worked to extend the production tax credit through the end of 2008.

I believe that Congress needs to provide a long-term extension of the renewable energy production and investment tax credits to help ensure long-term growth in our burgeoning renewable energy sector. While the Senate was one vote away from extending these important incentives on the 2007 Energy Bill, I will not stop my efforts to deliver the necessary financial resources for renewable energy production to thrive.


Seems he want's to go beyond the PTC but hey he's a democrat.
 
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Now to WildCat, I agree this should not hurt anyone heating their home with NG, and we should be careful it doesn't. I also wonder how he intends to get the companies that produce electricity from NG to stop and shift to automobiles.

Now also this can be used to produce hydrogen, and this can be used for fleet vehicles such as post office, police, telephone, cable, fill in the blank.
 
mr rosewater said:
Now also this can be used to produce hydrogen, and this can be used for fleet vehicles such as post office, police, telephone, cable, fill in the blank.
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It makes no sense at all to use natural gas to produce hydrogen for vehicle use. Far better to use the natural gas in the vehicle.
 
mr rosewater said:
Ya know you really should go fly a kite, it's fun, but before you do why not look at Harry Reid's plan

http://reid.senate.gov/issues/energy.cfm


Supporting Renewable Energy in Nevada and Across America
Nevada has the potential to be the nation’s renewable energy epicenter. Southern Nevada’s clear sunny days make it one of the best locations for solar energy in the world, and northern Nevada holds the largest amount of untapped geothermal resources in the United States. There are tremendous wind resources throughout the state.

That is why I have consistently supported a national renewable electricity standard, as well as fair and stable federal tax incentives for development of clean energy resources, like geothermal, solar, and wind. I have worked hard to add geothermal energy to the list of renewable energy projects eligible for the renewable energy production tax credit and loan guarantees. I also worked to extend the production tax credit through the end of 2008.

I believe that Congress needs to provide a long-term extension of the renewable energy production and investment tax credits to help ensure long-term growth in our burgeoning renewable energy sector. While the Senate was one vote away from extending these important incentives on the 2007 Energy Bill, I will not stop my efforts to deliver the necessary financial resources for renewable energy production to thrive.


Seems he want's to go beyond the PTC but hey he's a democrat.
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Shoveling taxpayer money at failing companies that make inefficient and uneconomic electricity production equipment is nothing new for Congress and it certainly won't solve any problems with the price of energy.

However, I suspect it will inspire many more conmen to start new "clean energy" boondoggles to grab a piece of that enormous pie.
 
mr rosewater said:
Now to WildCat, I agree this should not hurt anyone heating their home with NG, and we should be careful it doesn't. I also wonder how he intends to get the companies that produce electricity from NG to stop and shift to automobiles.

Now also this can be used to produce hydrogen, and this can be used for fleet vehicles such as post office, police, telephone, cable, fill in the blank.
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Basic physics tells us that creating, distributing, and then burning hydrogen (or using it it fuel cells) isn't going to solve anything for anyone.
 
balrog666 said:
Shoveling taxpayer money at failing companies that make inefficient and uneconomic electricity production equipment is nothing new for Congress and it certainly won't solve any problems with the price of energy.

However, I suspect it will inspire many more conmen to start new "clean energy" boondoggles to grab a piece of that enormous pie.
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I think if we build wind offshore it may be a boondoggle as you say, but on land and in the right place it may help. It may not replace NG but may produce hydrogen. This could be used for fleet vehicles.
 
mr rosewater said:
I don't know why your being obtuse but of course I'm talking about wind.
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Sorry, you weren't real clear. At any rate, how many windmills does it take to produce hydrogen to power 1,000 cars? Any idea? IIRC, it takes quite a bit of energy for electrolysis.
 
Wildcat

Wouldn't the correct logical thing to do would be move that 20% lng to heat homes and other stuff since the infracture to support this is already in place, and then use the 20% of freed up oil used for electricity for transportation?

One other fly in the ointment is windmills kill birds. I'm sure PETA will get involved. :D

I'm sure this will get a lot of air play about the safety of windmills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3FZtmlHwcA

I hope Pickens is ready to counter it.
 
Daylight said:
Wildcat

Wouldn't the correct logical thing to do would be move that 20% lng to heat homes and other stuff since the infracture to support this is already in place, and then use the 20% of freed up oil used for electricity for transportation?
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I don't think the infrastructure is in place, or more homes in the Northeast part of the country would already be using it, as we are where I live. Nobody opts for an oil-burning furnace if natural gas is an option.
 
yeah the North East is in trouble.

Oil comes to your home in a little truck.

Still, wind, solar and more nukes...all part of a good energy plan.

NOT killing off polar bears.

Id' like some cheaper better solar power choices. My one friend in Vermont is totally off the grid. She has a generator for the perhaps 20 days a year she needs to supplement her solar power. Problem is she comes from a wealthy family where she was able to afford the solar power she needs and to buy the right kinds of appliances. Her home was built from scartch to be off the gird (it's actually quite huge and beautiful)....

I'd love to slap up some solar panels and reduce my energy needs.

Bought a smaller car.

And why oh why are those complaining about fuel costs still driving those SUVs 20-30 miles over the speed limit. Better gas mileage is simply a little less of a lead foot.
 
kittynh said:
Her home was built from scartch to be off the gird (it's actually quite huge and beautiful)....
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Sounds like something our UK brethren might say, wot?

(Like, "It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide"...)
 
It appears that Texas taxpayers will bail out Pickens' wind farm:
Texas Utility Officials Blow $5 Billion on Pickens Wind


In what experts say is the biggest investment in the clean and renewable energy in U.S. history, utility officials in the Lone Star State gave preliminary approval Thursday to a $4.9 billion plan to build new transmission lines to carry wind-generated electricity from gusty West Texas to urban areas like Dallas.
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Of course, it is not an investment but a subsidy, it does not deal in energy directly but in transmission lines and associated infrastructure unique to wind generated power, it will operate at a loss for the foreseeable future, and it will be paid for by higher power bills in Texas.

The wind energy industry has benefited from the support of billionaire oilman T. Boone Pickens, who is planning to build the world's largest wind farm on about 200,000 acres in the Texas Panhandle.
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Yeah, right, :rolleyes:, I wonder what this cost him and how much it will directly benefit his investors?
 
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