Physics Response to Flight 77 Trajectory Speculation

WildCat said:
Are those simply the data transcribed, or an actual report?

If the latter, what conclusions did the NTSB reach? Where does the NTSB state there is no missing data, or that the data is intact all the way up until the second of the crash?
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just read the papers that the NTSB named report, and start thinking, compare them to other reports, and keep thinking..... atleast try
 
Dictator Cheney said:
i dont fail, i dont even try to answer your silly questions.
i still have to laugh when i remember back our debate about the WTC weldings lol.
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You wont answer because it debunks your stupid lies. You have no clue. You tried to trap me with the welding and refused to answer questions over there, now you try again to argue with me when I am the expert in this case.

The NTSB did not do a full accident investigation into flight 77 because they know why it crashed. They did a factual report on the FDr because they were aksed to by the FBI. This means ti would not be the same as normal accident reports. I have seen accident reports where the FDR serial number is not listed.

You have made a fool of yourself.
 
funk de fino said:
You wont answer because it debunks your stupid lies. You have no clue. You tried to trap me with the welding and refused to answer questions over there, now you try again to argue with me when I am the expert in this case.

The NTSB did not do a full accident investigation into flight 77 because they know why it crashed. They did a factual report on the FDr because they were aksed to by the FBI. This means ti would not be the same as normal accident reports. I have seen accident reports where the FDR serial number is not listed.

You have made a fool of yourself.
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nono, you showed your lack of knowledge with the welding stuff, that was funny :)

but you are an expert in flight accidents? what expert exactly are you?

and can you link me to the report that does not list serial numbers? did it mention why the serial number is not listed?
 
BTW, that accident eport I linked to has an interesting recommendation:
Require that within 2 years, all Airbus A300-600/A310 and
Boeing 747-400 airplanes and any other aircraft that may be identified as
recording filtered data be retrofitted with a flight data recorder system
capable of recording values that meet the accuracy requirements through
the full dynamic range of each parameter at a frequency sufficient to
determine a complete, accurate, and unambiguous time history of
parameter activity, with emphasis on capturing each parameter’s dynamic
motion at the maximum rate possible, including reversals of direction at the
maximum rate possible. (A-03-50)
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But but but the specs! The salesman said so! L3!!!1!!11

Also:
1.11.2 Flight Data Recorder
The accident airplane was equipped with a Fairchild model FA2100 FDR,
S/N 1186, that was manufactured by L-3 Communications.
...The FDR contained more than 81 hours of recorded data, and American Airlines
provided conversion formulas for the data.84 The FDR recorded about 1 minute
33 seconds of flight data for the accident airplane, beginning at 0914:28.45 (the time that
the right main landing gear squat switch changed from ground to air) and ending at
0916:01.23 (before airplane impact).
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That was ~13 seconds before impact. What's that spec again Turbofan?:rolleyes:
 
Dictator Cheney said:
nono, you showed your lack of knowledge with the welding stuff, that was funny :)

but you are an expert in flight accidents? what expert exactly are you?

and can you link me to the report that does not list serial numbers? did it mention why the serial number is not listed?
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There is no accident report for Flight 77! So why would the serial number be listed?
 
WildCat said:
There is no accident report for Flight 77! So why would the serial number be listed?
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accident report?
we talked about FDR report :)
read some other FDR reports and you will see why, incase your bright enough :D
 
WildCat said:
BTW, that accident eport I linked to has an interesting recommendation:

But but but the specs! The salesman said so! L3!!!1!!11

Also:

That was ~13 seconds before impact. What's that spec again Turbofan?:rolleyes:
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a very detailed report :)
like a report should be :)
 
Dictator Cheney said:
nono, you showed your lack of knowledge with the welding stuff, that was funny :)

but you are an expert in flight accidents? what expert exactly are you?

and can you link me to the report that does not list serial numbers? did it mention why the serial number is not listed?
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No, you attempted to claim the welds would have been stronger than the columns during collapse IIRC.

Ex aircraft technician, 12 years. Serviced 1st/2nd line FDR and flight instruments etc.

Look for the Pan Am 103 Lockerbie crash and see if you find the FDR or CVR serial number in the AAIB report.

See if you can see them in this NTSB report.

http://www.ntsb.org/Wiringcargodoorlite/home_files/8119202_1.pdf
 
Ooookay. Time to bring my poor thread back on message.

Lost in the noise was this interesting concession:

hxstamper said:
As for the rest of your post, we dont claim Mackeys' math or physics are wrong. Do you understand the difference in what is being said above?
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I'm glad to read this, because it is correct.

If you accept this, however, what is your concern? Do you think I've used the wrong boundary conditions? Do you have additional data you'd like to add to the problem? Do you dispute my conclusions on the basis of the calculation?

All of these things can, in theory at least, be discussed rationally. But I don't understand your complaint. If you can restate it, clearly, perhaps I can help clear it up.

Thanks.
 
funk de fino said:
Seems like DC ran away from this when I supplied what he asked for?
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no , actually i left this topic cause Mackey wanted his topic clean :)

when the serial number in a FDR report is missing, they mention why it is missing :)

bye bye
 
Dictator Cheney said:
no , actually i left this topic cause Mackey wanted his topic clean :)

when the serial number in a FDR report is missing, they mention why it is missing :)

bye bye
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Post # 232 - No, they do not mention why. You are incorrect again.

Where are the numbers in the Pan Am 103 report?
 
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