Philip Zelikow: 9/11 fixer

[aggle-rithm]

You may not like my opening post, but you can not ignore the fact that the 9/11 Commission Report was a Jewish coverup with Jews in charge determining the final draft.

Oh, but I believe I can.

Since this "fact" exists only in your mind, I can easily ignore it by ignoring you.

 

[Totovader]

This is really pathetic. I obviously disagree with the guy, tell the guy he's doing you guys a great service and that's not good enough for you.

I guess I'm supposed to receive a directive from you on the proper thing to say.

And are you referring to my hatred of something?

No, you disagree with the guy being so obvious. Instead of actually telling him he's wrong, debunking his claims, etc- you just essentially came back with "keep your mouth shut".

That sort of tacit association comes from a position that is so desperate- that conspiracists will shake hands with these anti-Semitic fools because they need the numbers.

What's wrong with telling him that he's wrong, Red? "Debunkers" do it for each other all the time.

 

[chillzero]

I think jumping on RedIbis, and in the process forgetting to address what MaGZ claimed is an excercise in futility.

I think it was clear that RedIbis disagrees with MaGZ's stance on this.

 

[Pardalis]

I think jumping on RedIbis, and in the process forgetting to address what MaGZ claimed is an excercise in futility.

I think it was clear that RedIbis disagrees with MaGZ's stance on this.

I disagree. Trying to confront MaGZ is what's completely futile, since he's completely invested in his hate ideology. You just can't debate with a nazi.

RedIbis on the other hand must realize who he's associating himself with, even if indirectly.

 

[RedIbis]

I disagree. Trying to confront MaGZ is what's completely futile, since he's completely invested in his hate ideology. You just can't debate with a nazi.

RedIbis on the other hand must realize who he's associating himself with, even if indirectly.

What? How am I associating with MagZ, by telling him his nonsense is playing into your hands? That's pretty sharp criticism.

Your statement is very illogical since there must be anti-semites who believe the official story. Are you responsible for their bigotry?

 

[MaGZ]

I disagree. Trying to confront MaGZ is what's completely futile, since he's completely invested in his hate ideology. You just can't debate with a nazi.

RedIbis on the other hand must realize who he's associating himself with, even if indirectly.

When and where has RedIbis agreed with me? To my knowledge I have been fighting this fight on my own without allies. BTW I am no "Truther". I reject any Inside Job. Anyone who is familiar with my posts on 9/11 know this.

 

[RedIbis]

I think jumping on RedIbis, and in the process forgetting to address what MaGZ claimed is an excercise in futility.

I think it was clear that RedIbis disagrees with MaGZ's stance on this.

What might be obvious to an extemely effective moderator, might not be obvious to some people here.

I welcome the discussion. I apply the same reasoning to MagZ's analysis as I do to anyone else's. I don't mind saying that if he dropped the straight bigotry and focused on research, he'd be much more effective.

My point is that mixing hatred into any factual analysis allows your opponent to dismiss the entirety of your argument. It's just bad strategy.

 

[Pardalis]

I don't mind saying that if he dropped the straight bigotry and focused on research, he'd be much more effective.

So, his bigotry aside, you do think at the core he's right?

 

[RedIbis]

So, his bigotry aside, you do think at the core he's right?

Right about what? Zelikow and other neo cons deserve tremendous criticism and scrutiny, but it has nothing to do with the fact that they're Jewish. The reality of anti-semitism should also not prevent legitimate criticism of certain right wing Israeli groups and the abuses of the Israeli military.

I'm able to see this distinction, a bigot is not.

 

[Pardalis]

Then please do criticize Zelikow, if you have anything specific to say (which I expect you don't, you never have).

Or start another thread, as you suggested earlier, instead of placing yourself on the defensive with the nazi.

 

[twinstead]

I don't mind saying that if he dropped the straight bigotry and focused on research, he'd be much more effective.

Dude. Bigotry aside, the boy thinks a missile hit the WTC7. Just how ineffective can one get?

 

[RedIbis]

Dude. Bigotry aside, the boy thinks a missile hit the WTC7. Just how ineffective can one get?

I haven't seen that one, nor am I responsible for every post the guy made. For some reason that requires explanation around here.

 

[MaGZ]

Right about what? Zelikow and other neo cons deserve tremendous criticism and scrutiny, but it has nothing to do with the fact that they're Jewish. The reality of anti-semitism should also not prevent legitimate criticism of certain right wing Israeli groups and the abuses of the Israeli military.

I'm able to see this distinction, a bigot is not.

The neocons would not exist if it were not for the existence of Israel.
That is not bigotry; that is a fact.

 

[Arus808]

I haven't seen that one, nor am I responsible for every post the guy made. For some reason that requires explanation around here.

You have over a 1000 posts here. All you had to do is do a search on the forum using his name, in the author field or the subject field. Dont be lazy. Ignorance isn't a defense.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So did MaGZ say, "Jew Henry Kissinger" just so we wouldn't confuse him with the equally famous Hindu Henry Kissinger, or what?

I'm going to start prefixing "Anti-Semite" to MaGZ's name whenever I mention him from now on...

 

[pomeroo]

The neocons would not exist if it were not for the existence of Israel.
That is not bigotry; that is a fact.

It is not a fact; it is an error. Liberal Democrats who were disenchanted with the pacifistic drift of the the McGovernite Democratic Party finally severed their ties and came to be called neo-conservatives. The weakness and indifference toward the Soviet Union's expansionist tendencies that characterized post-Vietnam War liberalism gave rise to neoconservatism. Except to you myopic Jew-haters, the world does not revolve around Israel.

 

[MIKILLINI]

The neocons would not exist if it were not for the existence of Israel.
That is not bigotry; that is a fact.

Anti-semitism would not exist were it not for the existence of racial hatred.
It breeds ignorance and that is a fact.

 

[chillzero]

I haven't seen that one, nor am I responsible for every post the guy made. For some reason that requires explanation around here.

His name stands for Missiles at Ground Zero, and he has a website and several threads here devoted to that theory.

To some other points raised here, confronting bigots is never futile - why would anyone let them stand unopposed? I think that is more to the point than sidestepping the bigotry and the topic in general to slap someone else who made a valid comment.

However, it is difficult to do this while not personalising the discussion, so I understand there's a fine balance. I just wanted to note that some posts missed that balance.

To help turn the thread back to topic, now, MaGZ, you made a claim that the commission report was a jewish coverup. Can you please back that claim up with any evidence, other than the fact that 2 people involved with it are jewish? Were they the only 2 people involved? How did they coerce all the non-jews to approve and support it?

 

[RedIbis]

His name stands for Missiles at Ground Zero, and he has a website and several threads here devoted to that theory.

To some other points raised here, confronting bigots is never futile - why would anyone let them stand unopposed? I think that is more to the point than sidestepping the bigotry and the topic in general to slap someone else who made a valid comment.

However, it is difficult to do this while not personalising the discussion, so I understand there's a fine balance. I just wanted to note that some posts missed that balance.

To help turn the thread back to topic, now, MaGZ, you made a claim that the commission report was a jewish coverup. Can you please back that claim up with any evidence, other than the fact that 2 people involved with it are jewish? Were they the only 2 people involved? How did they coerce all the non-jews to approve and support it?

There are a lot of people in this forum, I certainly don't have the time to research the origins of their screen names, nor their websites or general views. There is bigotry in his posts, I called it out. What more am I supposed to do?

 

[JimBenArm]

There are a lot of people in this forum, I certainly don't have the time to research the origins of their screen names, nor their websites or general views. There is bigotry in his posts, I called it out. What more am I supposed to do?

Nothing more. I am shocked, but I find myself in agreement with you. You said he was a bigot, shows you recognize the fact. That should be the end of it.
The guy gets something right, and you jump all over him! Way to go, people!