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Perpetual motion machine examination rules, please.

Jim_Mich said:
Ether Energy is very complex. It is the building material or raw energy of the universe. Our world is but vibrations within the Ether Energy world. We are just an image composed of Ether Energy.
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Jim, how do you know that any of these statements is true?
 
There are only two possible contenders for the Randi Million Dollar Challenge. There is perpetual motion then everything else. Everything else supposes that there is some voodoo magic ability that someone might have. The challenge contends there is no such thing as magic; any voodoo is merely a trick that someone is playing. Voodoo is a fraud not magic.

On the other hand there is the contender of perpetual motion. That challenge assumes that science is mistaken. It is not possible to discuss perpetual motion wrt the challenge without discussing some of the science. The question of science and a perpetual motion machine are inseparable.

There is also quite a bit of interest in the idea of perpetual motion. That can be seen when you consider the views of this thread. When you consider the interest combined with the fact perpetual motion is the only serious contender for the MDC it should have a presence here.

Gene
 
petre said:
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You also appear unclear on the concept of the term "infinite" as a measure of quantity independent of the variable "time". Such a concept does exist.

For example,
    1. some mass with some distance from another mass is said to have a finite amount of potential energy related to the gravitation between them. The conversion of this potential energy into kinetic energy is limited over time by the maximum velocity of the masses (the speed of light)
    2. but it is also limited independant of time based on the two masses and the distance between them.

It is for the latter reason, and not the former, that such an energy source is considered "finite". Your energy source has not been declared to have any limit without considering the variable "time", and is therefore considered infinite. If one were able to successfully argue that time is finite, a different conclusion could be reached.
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If gravity always exists, a perpetual motion machine (barring mechanical failure) will always run. Time will tell.

Gene
 
Dumb All Over said:
Would anyone agree with me that this thread has run its course? Over a year and eighteen pages later, these guys are no closer to convincing anyone that their PM machines work. More importantly, it is evident that they have no intentions to apply for the Million Dollar Challenge. It's time to put this one to rest, folks. We might suggest to AgingYoung and Jim_Mich and others that their comments are more appropriate for the Science section of the forum. But, please, let's put this one to bed.
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Agreed. I tried to convince Gene (and others) a while ago about the same; with huge success. ;)

However, Gene also has a valid point: This thread really sparks. But there seems to be no effort or even interest in an application from anyone. I am here has disappeared long ago.

If I'd be a b****, I'd say there's a lot of mental masturbation involved.

On a more generous note, I'd say this thread shows an aspect of human nature which fascinates me:
Resilience, sprouting from humongous stubbornness and optimism. Even when facing seemingly insurmountable opponents - the thermodynamics/physics tag team - some people engage it.
 
AgingYoung said:
The question of science and a perpetual motion machine are inseparable.
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Fine. Discuss it in the Science section.

AgingYoung said:
There is also quite a bit of interest in the idea of perpetual motion. That can be seen when you consider the views of this thread. When you consider the interest combined with the fact perpetual motion is the only serious contender for the MDC it should have a presence here.

Gene
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Who is contending for the MDC? You're not, Gene. If you were, you'd submit an application. No, I'm sorry. This section is for those who have a serious claim to make. Seriousness is measured by application submission. Anything else is just troll-speak. When you are ready to submit an application, then I have no problems with you doing it here, as this would be the appropriate place to do so. Until that time, discuss your hypotheses and theories in the more appropriate Science section.

I suggest you do this. I'm on a rampage and am hell-bent on derailing this cockamamy thread. It doesn't belong here.
 
After April 1st. the MDC will be out of reach for people like myself. I'm hoping to have my wheel finished before then and make an application. Applying before having a working model would be wasting other peoples time. Probability say's my wheel has a good chance of not working!

Jim_Mich
 
Great! Good luck to you, Jim_Mich. Until you submit your app., discuss it somewhere else.

ETA- Jim, if after April 1st you're able to demonstrate a working model, you will still be able to apply because you'll be the most famous person on earth.
 
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Dumb All Over said:
I'm on a rampage and am hell-bent
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I’m not surprised. If you had an honest reason for your decision you would have posted this same comment in…

  • Biggest Douche-bags in the Universe
  • Why no psychic will ever take the challenge
  • "Randi owes me a million dollars"
  • Poll: Fellow JREF Members: What would you do if someone was cheated?
  • Thoughts about the JREF Million Dollar Challenge

…or any number of other threads that are not serious applications to the challenge or as you put it...
  • This section is for those who have a serious claim to make.

Considering the interest here particularly in view of your cockamamy reasoning I'd answer your initial soft sell question...
Would anyone agree with me that this thread has run its course?
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...no.

Are there any other opinions?

Gene
 
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Dumb All Over said:
I'm on a rampage and am hell-bent on derailing this cockamamy thread. It doesn't belong here.
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So why not politely request a forum moderator intervene and more-correctly place this thread (or possibly split it at some appropriate point)?
 
Dumb All Over said:
Jim, if after April 1st you're able to demonstrate a working model, you will still be able to apply because you'll be the most famous person on earth.
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But then it would no longer be paranormal, it would be fact! If the challange is accepted and agreed to before it becomes known that I really do have a working model then Randi would have a hard time backing out.


Jim_Mich
 
Jim_Mich said:
But then it would no longer be paranormal, it would be fact! If the challange is accepted and agreed to before it becomes known that I really do have a working model then Randi would have a hard time backing out.
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No, the claim of having a working model would make you famous. The challenge would be accepted on the claim.
 
I deeply sympathize, Jim_Mich. People complain about their jobs all the time, but hardly anyone ever has to face a deadline assignment of "You have two months to build a working perpetual motion machine!"
 
jsfisher said:
No, the claim of having a working model would make you famous. The challenge would be accepted on the claim.
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Claiming to have a working model will not make you famous. Even having a working model will not make you famous because none will believe it. Once a model is built that works then the next hurdle is making people aware of it and proving that it works. The MDC would be an excellent publicity method.

And the million dollars would make nice seed money to start a new industry.

Jim_Mich
 
Jim_Mich said:
But then it would no longer be paranormal, it would be fact! If the challange is accepted and agreed to before it becomes known that I really do have a working model then Randi would have a hard time backing out.


Jim_Mich
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Jim, that's a revealing statement. It makes me believe this has nothing to do with science or humanity or free energy or anything like that. It has everything to do with taking Randi's money.

BTW- I'm not asking the mods to take any action in this thread.
Thabiguy said:
I deeply sympathize, Jim_Mich. People complain about their jobs all the time, but hardly anyone ever has to face a deadline assignment of "You have two months to build a working perpetual motion machine!"
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That last part should read, "You have two months to build a working perpetual motion machine in order to 'stick it' to Randi!"
 
Good grief, you really are Dumb All Over! It would be a win win situation. Randi and the foundation would get more than a millon dollars worth of publicity and the world would get a kick start toward weaning itself away from oil.

Jim_Mich
 
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