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Perpetual Motion Device. On the ORBO forums.

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I was looking up some stuff on Google and found overconfident's perpetual motion machine on the Steorsn forum (makers of the flop known as Orbo).


If you do a search on Google, its the first result. Here is a gif of what is supposed to happen:

Its located at: imgbolt.com/files//100653/OC13-fast.gif (Can someone else post this image? I don't have permission yet.)



I know there are limitations such as friction. But magnets are very strong, and a little friction wouldn't do much. It would slow it down and wear the device down.

Any other limitations that can prevent this from working?
 
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http://imgbolt.com/files//100653/OC13-fast.gif

It's not a new idea. And it won't work even when friction is ignored. The problem is that magnetism is a conservative force, and no clever arrangement of moving magnets can yield free energy.

In this case it looks like the little round magnets are supposed to attract the moving rod-shaped magnets, and then when the rod-shaped magnet gets close the little round magnet swivels around so that it's repelling the moving rod-shaped magnet. I don't think the forces will work the way the designer thinks - it looks like it should take as much energy to pull the moving magnet away from the little round one as you got by bringing them together. The designer seems to have somewhat anticipated this by having a different number of magnets in the inner and outer rings so there's no one preferred lock-up orientation, but I'm certain that if you worked out the total net forces on the rotor they'll still sum to zero over a full rotation
 
The little round magnets are not free to spin on their own. They are supposed to be pressed up against the main wheel and that spins them.
 
kosai said:
I have no idea what to make of [this video] as they don't claim it's perpetual motion or anything... anyway it looks cool. Is there any relation?
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The device in the video is the "OC MPMM," or "OC's Magnetic Perpetual Motion Machine." At least it's not a video of Tub Girl.
 
In the Steorn forum, the guy which made it says he don't believe it is a PMM/OU free energy or whatnot. He thinks of many hypothese ranging from resonnance, stray EM, and whatnot. I'll see how it evolve, but at least he seems right now a step above any other PMM peddler.
 
A friend sent me a link to the video this morning. From the comments it looks like someone tried to make the video brighter than the original version, but it still is pretty dark.

There seem to be better still photos on this page:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:OC_MPMM_Magnet_Motor

and here http://freeenergytrackers.ning.com/photo

My first guess was that he was using electromagnets and switching the polarity on them.

If it truly does not have any outside power source or motors, I don't see why there would be a net attraction in one direction of spin with the magnets equally distributed.

Assuming this guy is not making a hoax video and really built what he claims... One of the comments on the video page mentions "the secret is Doppler compression of field density." Any comments on this?

It would also be interesting to see how long it would run. With all of the noise it makes, it sounds like there is a fair amount of friction, not to mention the aerodynamic drag.
 
Are Steorn still around? I haven't heard of them since their demonstration didn't work quite as expected. From their point of view that is, from a sane person's point of view it went exactly as expected.
 
If the dude is a fake, what does he have to gain?

He gave the plans, some of the construction methods and most parts used to replicate the project. He just threw it all out there.
 
ZamuBa said:
If the dude is a fake, what does he have to gain?
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It doesn't matter what he does or doesn't have to gain, he is still wrong.

He gave the plans, some of the construction methods and most parts used to replicate the project. He just threw it all out there.
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Many perpetual motion types do. They are still wrong. Usually in trivially obvious ways like this one.
 
ZamuBa said:
If the dude is a fake, what does he have to gain?

He gave the plans, some of the construction methods and most parts used to replicate the project. He just threw it all out there.
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If it is an intentional fake, it could be because the person enjoys playing jokes on others, or feeling he has outwitted other people.

If it is an unintentional fake, it could be he really thinks he discovered a revolutionary device, but does not understand how energy might be artificially introduced into the operation of the device.

Since the maker allegedly is claiming it is NOT perpetual motion, or free energy, he might not be intending to trick anyone. In that case it would be hard to call it fake, since he is not making claims about it.

Then again, one of the best ways to trick people is for them to make the "miraculous" claims for you. By being modest and low key, one seems more honest and trustworthy. Similarly, using clear plastic to build a major portion of the device allows us to see "nothing is hidden" but at the same time it could be used intentionally by a con-artist to lead us down the wrong path. We assume since we are shown part of the mechanism, the maker will be honest about the rest of the construction we can't see, in the opaque wheel.

Lots of people seek attention, the company Stoern attracted a huge amount of public attention with their failed energy producing wheel. Why would they have sought such attention if they knew their product did not work?
 
perpetual motion is an odd concept. tidal power, for instance, should work until the solar system craps out. a solar panel rigged to a spinning wheel in a vaccum should keep the wheel spinning through the dark cycle until the panel fails or the sun burns out.
these don't count, of course.
yet, the universe at large is a perpetual motion machine.
when the motion stops, so do the observers.
 
Steorn is SILENT. As in : the only comment on public forum in 6 months was about a folk song. I have no idea for the special-club SPDC, he could be more active there, after all those are (except a few skeptic) most probably the core believer.

The last development are simply guys which happened to communicate through Steorn forum. It could as well have been any other bbs forum....
 
quarky said:
perpetual motion is an odd concept. tidal power, for instance, should work until the solar system craps out. a solar panel rigged to a spinning wheel in a vaccum should keep the wheel spinning through the dark cycle until the panel fails or the sun burns out.
these don't count, of course.
yet, the universe at large is a perpetual motion machine.
when the motion stops, so do the observers.
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With tidal power the energy is taken from the rotation of the Earth. Apparently, with every new tidal power station commissioned, an Earth year becomes just a fraction of a second longer, as a consequence.

To get back to the actual video, I was wondering why an apparent talented inventor was unable to illuminate the experiment depicted adequately with sufficient lighting. There was no burden on the guy to produce this video in haste. If he was going to all the bother to produce the video and show the world his invention, why couldn't he set up just another light close by to fully illuminate the experiment. The top right hand side of the device was constantly in shadow.

I noticed he apologised for the inadequate lighting at one point early in the video. It all smacks of something not quite right about the whole thing.
 
I think if I were to go for perpetual motion, I would at least have bearings that don't make so much noise. There are plenty of videos on Youtube of these guys who build magnet motors. Hard to say why they delude themselves. Some actually run for a while, just because of being spun by hand, but they always stop them by hand, to explain etc.

One guarantee: no motor is possible with just permanent magnets and no input power. No "gravity" motors either, unless you input energy by lifting something. It will just quickly stabilize at its ground state of equilibrium.
 
There are people working to replicate the OC MPMM (also called the OCAL and the Whipmag roter). As has been said, the builder does not believe that Perpetual Motion Machines or OU are possible. I have chatted with him and read the discussions. I am pretty convinced this is not fake, of course, I am even more sure it is just an artifact. As Alsetalokin (the builder) always says, "MPMMCPW" (Magnetic Perpetual Motion Machines Can't Possibly Work)
The most interesting thing about it is the way the believers are attacking him for not believing that the device that he himself built is OU!
 
Olowkow said:
I think if I were to go for perpetual motion, I would at least have bearings that don't make so much noise.
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Heh, this reminds me of an undergraduate physics question. 'Why are snooker ball collisions not perfectly elastic? Shorter answers will be rewarded.'
The shortest answer is:
Click!
 
Click! As in a link?

Or

Click! as in the noise when the balls lose kinetic energy and transform a little into sound.
 
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