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perhaps not everything is lost for astrology

proluna8

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Well beloved skepticals, here you are a real treat you can feast on!
I have been studying judiciary astrology for five years already and would love to engage in some interesting discussions with you.
I know you are going to say it's not a science, I will agree, nobody lived long enough to follow the necessary steps to determine that because it is absolutely beyond our reach...

I know there are too many people making fortunes out of inocent-silly believers (those should not be called astrologers) (It is absolutely stupid to say your dog is a libra therefore it's very stable and sociable, say that about a furious pitbull for example) (and it is criminal to offer to change your destiny and create a new natal chart for you so you can avoid problems, illnesses and so much more, will they get you a blind date with Brad or Anjelina also?)

I know you are going to say horoscopes are rubbish, I will agree with you.

But, is anybody interested in having a moderately intelligent exchange of ideas about it?

All the best to all, love A.
 
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. To make things easier, I would recommend asking a specific question, or addressing a particular topic. If you want to discuss astrology in general, you could start by telling me why you think it would work. In other words, how could stars, planets, or the moon affect people on earth? Gravity? Something else?
 
perhaps not everything is lost for astrology

Aww.. Oh yes, yes it is!

Well beloved skepticals, here you are a real treat you can feast on!

OK... where's my treat?

I know you are going to say it's not a science, I will agree, nobody lived long enough to follow the necessary steps to determine that because it is absolutely beyond our reach...

What does this mean? :confused: You know, if some studies will take a longer time than one lifetime, it's possible to document the knowledge made so far, so that people who still live can read up on it, and continue the studies.

I know there are too many people making fortunes out of inocent-silly believers (those should not be called astrologers)

Almost no astrologers should be called astrologers then.

(It is absolutely stupid to say your dog is a libra therefore it's very stable and sociable, say that about a furious pitbull for example) (and it is criminal to offer to change your destiny and create a new natal chart for you so you can avoid problems, illnesses and so much more, will they get you a blind date with Brad or Anjelina also?)

OK, so you have got that this is stupid. Now, go on to the rest and view it with the same eyes!

I know you are going to say horoscopes are rubbish, I will agree with you.

But what is this post about then? :confused:
 
But, is anybody interested in having a moderately intelligent exchange of ideas about it?

All the best to all, love A.

I would be interested in reading, and perhaps participating in a thread where you gave your views on astrology. I am not the slightest bit interested in a thread where you simply say you have views on Astrology.

Norm
 
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Well beloved skepticals, here you are a real treat you can feast on!
I have been studying judiciary astrology for five years already and would love to engage in some interesting discussions with you.
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Your chart was written way back. You see what I'm saying? You are, like, a tube. You know what I mean? In a past life you died of small pox or one of those other diptherias, so you have an old soul. Be sure to have your bowels checked soon. Take Lecithin. L E C I T H I N.
 
Well beloved skepticals, here you are a real treat you can feast on!
I have been studying judiciary astrology for five years already and would love to engage in some interesting discussions with you.
I know you are going to say it's not a science, I will agree, nobody lived long enough to follow the necessary steps to determine that because it is absolutely beyond our reach...

I know there are too many people making fortunes out of inocent-silly believers (those should not be called astrologers) (It is absolutely stupid to say your dog is a libra therefore it's very stable and sociable, say that about a furious pitbull for example) (and it is criminal to offer to change your destiny and create a new natal chart for you so you can avoid problems, illnesses and so much more, will they get you a blind date with Brad or Anjelina also?)

I know you are going to say horoscopes are rubbish, I will agree with you.

But, is anybody interested in having a moderately intelligent exchange of ideas about it?

I am.

Why it is impossible for an astrologer to accurately record his results, so astrologers can learn from that?

Can you name the astrologers who are real astrologers?

Can you explain why they are real astrologers?

Why it is absolutely stupid to say a dog is a libra?

Does that mean that astrology only works on humans?

If so, why?

It may be "criminal" to offer to change people's destiny, but is it possible to do so?
 
Hello, was good to hear from you, let's go little by little, to HOKULELE: well you are asking for an extensive answer and I have to summarize it somehow, there are hundreds of books, some very good about this topic, I am going to put it in short: quantic physics has already proven subatomical particles in our bodies respond to radiationsin in the same way the sea fluctuates according to the moon movements or tomatoes for the matter, are we by any chance less influentiable than tomatoes? Well no, the idea is that at the moment we are borm and the umbilical cord is cut the position of the planets and the stars in that exact moment, generates a certain subatomic disposition in your cells (or create a certain "electrical" pattern) which will define you for the rest of your existance.

Hello to you NORMAL DUDE: let's see: if a doctor tells you some medicine is going to help you, you take it without further consideration and perhaps it won't. Are you going to say medicine is not a science just because that medicine works for certain individuals and not for others? There are excellent books written by great astrologers which show extremely accurate precisions about astrological issues (in fact medicine was born from astrology and they are strongly linked together) The thing is the knowledge behind it is so enormous we should start by postulating small snippets of information, study the statistics, trying them... you know the whole empiric process and we would be able to make just a drop in the sea of all the work that is to be done. You can study your whole life and not be able to even grasp but a few basic concepts. Astrology is so vast we can only imagine the size of its postulates and we will be wrong for sure. Do you want to know something specifically? I think it's going to be easier for me to answer.

Hello FRAN: I totally agree with you, we can document chunks of it, it has been already done, and if you want we can engage in some sort of trials or I can recommend you some excellent books about the topic but still, is not enough. I agree there are no astrologers, nobody can be called that if he/she won't be able to learn everything that is to be learnt. I would never call myself one. Besides, horoscopes are just a commercial way of entertainting the masses and I think they are a hoax, I hate when people associate them with astrology, nothing to do. And I said that about pets because I'm a joker, of course if you love "bruiser" enough we could try to study his solar return for this year and engage in an enormous amount of mathematical calculations to see if he is going to be castrated or not. I was thinking about something a little bit more trascending. By the way, your treat is the possibility of getting to discuss with me dear, don't you enjoy it???

Hello ALFANINER: I am just Adriana.

Hello FROMDOWNUNDER: I hope you get mine war just an introduction to the topic, where do you want to start? I'll be very happy of sharing my views and accepting yours.

Hello LADY WHIPLASH: you are absolutely right we are all dead and nobody bothered to tell us that and we persist thinking we are so big and important, we are tubes my friend. My bowels work fantastic, if you want I can recommend some alternatives to lecithin which tastes like hell and ruins the sense of humour, cu

Hello CF LARSEN: some of your questions are answered above (at least I tried) regarding your last one: of course it is not possible to do so, that is why I said it is criminal, because it is a fraud but still, some so called "astrologers" sell this kind of services over the internet and after a while the word spreads and you get those concepts about astrology being a hoax. Some of us (very few) are trying to study the fair facts about it. It is always the old fight about what is ethical and what is not.

CELLO MAN: see you in the link, thank you.

TO ALL: thank you for your answers, I think behind some caustic words there are great persons and I love people with a casutic sense of humour.

AGAIN: WHAT DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? AH, I WAS FORGETTING ABOUT THIS: I FIRST FOUND YOU BECAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR DATA OF SERIAL CRIMINALS AS PART OF MY RESEARCH. I SAW AN ENORMOUS LIST OF DATES, THE PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DAY, MONTH, YEAR, PLACE AND TIME OF BIRTH TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT MADE THAT PERSON A KILLER. AREN'T YOU ASKED A WHOLE BUNCH OF QUESTION BEFORE YOUR DOCTOR UNDERSTANDS WHAT HAPPENS WITH YOU?

Thank you all, see you around!!!!!!!!!!
 
I am going to put it in short: quantic physics has already proven subatomical particles in our bodies respond to radiationsin in the same way the sea fluctuates according to the moon movements or tomatoes for the matter, are we by any chance less influentiable than tomatoes? Well no, the idea is that at the moment we are borm and the umbilical cord is cut the position of the planets and the stars in that exact moment, generates a certain subatomic disposition in your cells (or create a certain "electrical" pattern) which will define you for the rest of your existance.

Uh.... No!

Hello to you NORMAL DUDE: let's see: if a doctor tells you some medicine is going to help you, you take it without further consideration and perhaps it won't. Are you going to say medicine is not a science just because that medicine works for certain individuals and not for others?

As analogies go... this one was... not so good :)

Hello FRAN: I totally agree with you, we can document chunks of it, it has been already done, and if you want we can engage in some sort of trials or I can recommend you some excellent books about the topic but still, is not enough.

I have no wish to engage in some sort of trials. I don't have time for such. And I rather doubt there are any books you can recommend that will convince me that astrology works on any level at all, since it doesn't, you know... work!

I agree there are no astrologers, nobody can be called that if he/she won't be able to learn everything that is to be learnt. I would never call myself one. Besides, horoscopes are just a commercial way of entertainting the masses and I think they are a hoax, I hate when people associate them with astrology, nothing to do.

Well, since the "newspaper astrology" and the "real astrology" you claim exist both doesn't work, I don't see what the real difference between them are. It doesn't matter how complicated you make your calculations, in the end it is still a fact that astrology does not work the way you described above, and the constellations, stars, planets and what have you, does NOT have any influence on human lives. It doesn't work, plain and simple.

And I said By the way, your treat is the possibility of getting to discuss with me dear, don't you enjoy it???

I much prefer chocolate I must admit.

of course it is not possible to do so, that is why I said it is criminal, because it is a fraud but still, some so called "astrologers" sell this kind of services over the internet and after a while the word spreads and you get those concepts about astrology being a hoax.

No, we think it's totally bunkum because... it doesn't work!

Some of us (very few) are trying to study the fair facts about it. It is always the old fight about what is ethical and what is not.

So you belong to a certain especially wise astrology elite that knows something others don't?

TO ALL: thank you for your answers, I think behind some caustic words there are great persons and I love people with a casutic sense of humour.

That's good :) I predict there's going to be some of that.
 
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***snip*** Well no, the idea is that at the moment we are borm and the umbilical cord is cut the position of the planets and the stars in that exact moment, generates a certain subatomic disposition in your cells (or create a certain "electrical" pattern) which will define you for the rest of your existance. ***snip***

Is there a difference between things "electrical" and electrical?

Here's a little rule of thumb for you... when anyone places well-understood scientific terms between quotation marks, it's generally a sure sign that they are no longer playing by the rules of science.
 
A quantum tomato:



Notice how the picture captures the Schrodinger wave smearing as it settles into its globular shape upon being observed? It was born on Tuesday, June 5 at 9AM; at least that's when its umbilical cord was cut. :boggled:
 
Well no, the idea is that at the moment we are borm and the umbilical cord is cut the position of the planets and the stars in that exact moment, generates a certain subatomic disposition in your cells (or create a certain "electrical" pattern) which will define you for the rest of your existance.

The hands of the midwife / obgyn catching you as you emerge has a stronger gravitational pull on you than the moon or any planet together. What would be their effect on the electrical pattern that is set, or prolonged umbilical attachment, or cesarean babies? How is it that a baby in a womb already exhibits personality before she's born? Did my daughter stay an extra 2 weeks inside so she had a shot at scorpio-dom and that's totally fitting?
 
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My Profile Read the page linked below, and if you have rebuttals to any of the points raised in the article, and they make sense, by all means keep this thread going.

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Dear CELLO MAN, I visited the link you referred me to and here's my opinion: as a student of judiciary astrology I can't engage in a discussion with people who are convinced of some facts. At the very end we are all entitled to believe or defend whatever is real for us. So I wouldn't waste time in trying to "convert" someone to my ideas (I'm not Christ and I don't want to be)

I just took some notes I disagree with and I want to share with you (I hope the link doesn't belong to your brother): this person says something about how can Pluto have the same effect as Venus, they don't. Every planet has a different effect according to its position at a given moment and its position regarding the other planets and the place or person they are relating to.

He also mentions asteroids and an infinitude of stars, why making it more complicated than it already is? If you can talk endlessly about a certain configuration just by considering ten planets, twelve signs and some few more elements, why bother? As an example, there is a group of stars called "pestillent" (pardon my spelling) which are located in the constellation of the fish, when you are affected by those ones, believe me, it is the darkest and saddest period of your life, and statistics show 100% of this in an endless list of people who experienced that personally. In my case, luckily, I will never be affected by them because I will die some nine years before!!! (sounds crazy, I know)

This person also mentions the ignorance of the existance of some planets in our solar system, well Chaldeans knew (kind of 5,000 years ago) about the existance of two more planets which are being now called X and Y and the greeks called them Ceres and Vesta, astronomers have yet to discover them and study them and they will, in some more years (again, I am not going to be here by then)

Finally, he said something about mistakes in predictions about tragedies in the world. That is precessional astrology and you have to have a very extensive knowledge of mathematics, spheric trigonometry and physics to be good at that, I can not, and it is impossible to predict something like that in such a light way and not be wrong!!!!! Of course many predictions are wrong, it depends on the predictor and his know-how.
One thing we can do about it: some big events are more easy to preview, for example: when Uranus, which has a SUDDEN and terrible effect on some things, passed in front of the constellation of piscis (representing the oceans) that horrible tsunami affected Asia. Can you say it was avoidable? Saddly no, Uranus does that: surprise element.
Now in three years (I could tell you the exact date) that same planet is going to pass in front of the constellation of Aries and I sincerily hope we are in a safe area by then because the earth is going to be hit by meteorites and (this is my feeling) volcano activity. But, please, keep in mind I don't study precessional astrology so the volcano part is not so sure.

So, my friend, we are just leaves in the cosmical wind. That is an unbearable idea, isn't it? May the stars be with you (hahahahahahhaahahaaha) See you soon, Adriana.
 
Hey Fran I have to admit it sounded awful (this "I belong to a bunch like this and that") so very sorry!!!!!!!! Far from that, the problem is I live in this small country and of the 3million we are, only ten are currently studying this so I made that mistake, sorry again. And I agree on the chocolate, I prefer it too.
 
...well you are asking for an extensive answer and I have to summarize it somehow, there are hundreds of books, some very good about this topic, I am going to put it in short: quantic physics has already proven subatomical particles in our bodies respond to radiationsin in the same way the sea fluctuates according to the moon movements or tomatoes for the matter, are we by any chance less influentiable than tomatoes? Well no, the idea is that at the moment we are borm and the umbilical cord is cut the position of the planets and the stars in that exact moment, generates a certain subatomic disposition in your cells (or create a certain "electrical" pattern) which will define you for the rest of your existance.

To be so wrong, you must be willfully ignorant, and hence reprehensible.
 

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