People really do exist that can read your mind.

happycats said:
I remember asking him that question. He said he just wanted to have a normal life....something along those lines.
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Imo it's better to just declare this a hoax and move on with your life, becuase if you aren't even sure about your own memory it's a waste of time to even be thinking about it.

Getting caught up obsessively wondering whether or not it's true is not going to benefit you in the long run.
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I just watched my first Derren Brown show, have not much heard of him either, so I can't go off of experience here, but I have seen better tricks and he showed how they (or at least some of them) were done at the end.
 
I hope this is not a repete: Go to http://www.csicop.org/si/outer-edge/ and order "The Outer Edge." Within the US, it only costs $8, postpaid. It has an excellent chapter by Ray Hyman "Cold Reading: How to Convince Strangers You Know All About Them." It used to be called "fishing" when a "mind-reader" dealt with a stranger.

The alternative, "hot reading," involves various methods of investigating the "stranger" up to, and including, hiring a detective to investigate someone who has an appointment.
 
fls said:
I have only recently begun watching Derren Brown (on the Sci-Fi Channel in the US), and have now seen 2-and-a-half of his shows. I am not an illusionist or a magician, but even I can figure out how a lot of his tricks are done. I think you have set up a false dichotomy. He does not have to lie (although there is definitely misdirection) in order to acheive what he is able to acheive.

I must add that I am really enjoying the show, and may be developing a bit of a crush. ;)

Linda
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His book (Tricks of the Mind) is a pretty good read.

This is the trick that proves you can't trust a word he says during his act.
 
Senex said:
Why on earth would a man with unique abilities spend the time to demonstrate them on you? He could work for the CIA for big bucks rather than entertain a simple fellow like yourself.
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happycats said:
I remember asking him that question. He said he just wanted to have a normal life....something along those lines.
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If our intelligence service discovered a real mind reader who "thought" he wanted to have a normal life and just use his mind reading powers as a hobby for entertaining strangers -- he might soon find himself given an offer he couldn't refuse by our government. Now if he could combust the agents assigned to guarding him and burn an escape route through the safe house assigned to him like Drew Barrymore did then he might be able to refuse the offer. Can this guy start fires with his mind as well?
 
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Senex said:
Why on earth would a man with unique abilities spend the time to demonstrate them on you? He could work for the CIA for big bucks rather than entertain a simple fellow like yourself.

Real mind readers working for chump change doesn't make any sense. Our intelligence service would have no need to torture anyone if there were mind readers. Just put the suspect and the mind reader in the same room. None of our adversaries would complain about the torture of the mind reader you experienced like they do about the water board info readers and such they do now.

It's silly to think if anyone really could read minds they would read your mind instead of work for big money.
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The U.S. and Soviet intelligence agencies both employed psychics during the Cold War, (perhaps the U.S. still does). So too do some police forces around the world.
 
well, i've been through this thread, and so far, out of 145 posts only 1 (by Myriad) has explicitly allowed any space for the possibility that mind-reading may exist.
Such overwhelming unanimity of belief (prompting so many default responses that any such examples of mind-reading must be, a priori, fraudulent) is pretty remarkable.
I'm sure any practitioners of "brain-washing", mind control, or religious indoctrination would feel astoundingly successfull if they could get similar results.
To give some people credit, they did ask for more details on it, before confirming their original belief.

;)
 
For $200 i'll tell you things about people you have to go away and think about to see if you remember them...or people that may turn up in your future...

Ring 1-800-I See Dead People

DB
 
plumjam said:
I don't know why you insist in using the standard lazy demand for evidence. Google it and you'll see there's loads of stuff detailing the history of it. Try "CIA psychics"
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If you're trying to make a point with a claim, in order to be taken seriously, you should do your own legwork. Otherwise, your claim is easily dismissed.
 
I'm sorry...

I'm gonna go with Plumjam on this...

You wanna know the truth...you find it...He ain't yo' keeper..I never rely on someone elses word...

I find things out for myself...and then i decide whats true or false...

Try it...Use Google...Its a mighty fine search engine...A few keywords here and there and all the information will suddenly appear...

I can't remember when i last offered proof of any of my claims... (ETA...Well...I might have done when i telephoned Sony about 'live' tv transmissions...back in the ol' days).....

Anyways...I let the other members here read what i post, digest it, think it over and then make their own minds up...

Easy!

DB
 
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plumjam said:
lol.. get real please folks,
it's just historical fact
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I can pretty much google any nonsense and find hits to support it.
If you're stating something as fact, and expect to discuss it seriously, you can support your opinions and put up your evidence for scrutiny.
 
This was discussed here a couple of months back (can't recall the thread). Disturbingly, police forces have used psychics and continue to do so. In this 1993 US study, almost a quarter of police departments surveyed admitted to having done so.

http://www.pac-c.org/police & psychics.htm
 
Miss Anthrope said:
I can pretty much google any nonsense and find hits to support it.
If you're stating something as fact, and expect to discuss it seriously, you can support your opinions and put up your evidence for scrutiny.
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someone argued that if mind readers exist why weren't they making a load of money from government etc.. (no evidence supplied for this claim, and note how I didn't lazily demand some)
I replied that psychics indeed have been employed by governments, and by police forces. I'm sorry, but when the historical evidence is so overwhelming for a particular point I'm not going to waste my time locating particular links for you to explore. I assume that people are capable of typing a couple of words into Google themselves, if they don't take my word for it.
On the other hand, if I were making some highly contentious assertion I'd be more inclined to provide links for everyone.
 
I have heard of the CIA experimenting with such things, but what plumjam conveniently leaves out is that by all sane accounts the program(s) were utter failures and were canceled. If he can provide legitimate evidence of a SUCCESSFUL CIA program dealing with "paranormal" topics such as telepathy or remote viewing, I will kiss his butt... in public. :)
 
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plumjam said:
The U.S. and Soviet intelligence agencies both employed psychics during the Cold War, (perhaps the U.S. still does). So too do some police forces around the world.
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I read an excellent book about this topic. It was called The Search for the Manchurian Candidate. The CIA did spend resources and used many unethical methods pursuing uses of psychic phenomenon. The program was called MKULTRA. The program produced no results and has been disbanded. They failed to find a true psychic, a truth drug, a hypnotic drug, a remote reader, they failed to find everything they hoped to find despite dosing many unsuspecting subjects with their potions.
 
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