People really do exist that can read your mind.

[JoeEllison]

Actually, they're too painful to observe for very long.

Trust me, I can watch all day. It is like owning an ant farm, in a way.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

normally i'm moderate and polite,
<<SNIP>>

Oh. Oh. Ha. Ha. That's the funniest yet.

I am not a comedian but I play one on the Internet.

 

[AOK Tiger]

If evidence is no good .. try argument and logic

Plumjam,

I am gunna try and play this the way YOU want it to be played.

It is clear the demand for evidence is falling on deaf ears.

Lets just try logic and argument.

Your BIG premise is if a Government spends time and money on something they MUST have found something ???

That is ridiculous. What of all the other things they research which came to nothing.. time travel, teleportation, cold fusion.. etc etc. the list is endless.

If you THINK they are keeping a big secret look outside of what the official line is.

Do any confirmed psychics exist outside of their programs?.. NO..
Have Govt agencies EVER predicted or stopped anything of significance? NO
Have Government agencies EVER kept secrets beyond a few years?.. NO
Is their ANY physiological explanation for how psychic ability may work?.. NO
Are the paradoxes created by the existence of psychic ability explicable?.. NO

And so many other arguments OUTSIDE of the obvious evidence that make the existence of psychics unlikely.

In short think about it clearly stop letting your bias or “need” for some sort of psychic phenomena overrule your senses.

 

[Mashuna]

trying to be witty, but just working out as nonsensical, go read some books maybe

Fair enough, I'll look out for your posts once you've read those books.

 

[Stitch]

The one thing that still bothers me however is this:
The man never said more than hi and goodbye the entire semester long to me, and he always sat next to me in class. In fact, when he asked if I wanted to play a game, it took me by surprise, because it was the most he had ever said to me all semester. Why did he wait until the last day of class to play a trick on me. Why didn't he do it earlier on in the semester where I could have asked more about his trick later on?

Most magic tricks have rather dull explanations for how they work, if you reveal how, it suddenyl becomes very mundane and the viewer doesn't appreciate the time and effort that went in to learning and perfecting the trick. By waiting till the end of semester he avoided the chance to keep being asked to repeat it until you figured it out.

 

[Civilized Worm]

lol... good old Buzz

although I'm generally a "skeptic of the Skeptics

I think the term you're looking for is "Fortean".

Folks. This is what I mean when I say that the psychology of certain posters is incredibly interesting. Here we see a case of someone believing something that is almost certainly true, for the absolute worst reason possible. "Intriguing" doesn't even begin to cover it.

Yeah that struck me as well.

 

[Ersby]

I think the term you're looking for is "Fortean".

No it isn't.

 

[jimtron]

If someone says they can read your mind, don't let them run the experiment--you run it. Think of something. Then say to the mindreader, "what am I thinking of?"

Don't let them use cards, don't let them ask you to write something down, don't let them tell you to think of a number in a certain range, etc.

 

[chillzero]

Just a polite reminder to return to the topic at hand, and leave aside the personalised discussions. Thanks.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Lots of Catholic Saints report being able to predict the future, read the minds of the people confessing to them, bilocate... lots of stuff.. a good modern examples is Padre Pio, if you care to google him

You missed the point. You said, " I would use the common sense reasoning that any program that endured for a matter of decades would not have received such protracted funding if it had produced no useful results. A program producing no useful results would have been discontinued after a year or two at most. So, it seems more likely to me that useful results WERE produced, yet these were kept concealed from public view, and programs are probably still going on. " I'm saying that there isn't proof that there is: afterlife, Heaven, Hell, Puratory, Limbo, angels, demons, God, Satan, miracles, and/or souls, but yet the Catholic Chuch is still around.

 

[plumjam]

You missed the point. You said, " I would use the common sense reasoning that any program that endured for a matter of decades would not have received such protracted funding if it had produced no useful results. A program producing no useful results would have been discontinued after a year or two at most. So, it seems more likely to me that useful results WERE produced, yet these were kept concealed from public view, and programs are probably still going on. " I'm saying that there isn't proof that there is: afterlife, Heaven, Hell, Puratory, Limbo, angels, demons, God, Satan, miracles, and/or souls, but yet the Catholic Chuch is still around.

I suspect no "proof" of these things would be acceptable to you. And most of the examples you cite are necessarily experienced individually, and therefore would be dismissed by you as 'anecdotal'. If you are truly interested in the afterlife, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, angels, demons, God and Satan then perhaps you can research Near Death Experiences.. the books of Dr. Raymond Moody, for example.
After all, it seems most logical to me, that if you want to know if anything happens after death you would go and ask those who have been clinically dead for a short while and then came back.
Go ahead, nice test of how open minded you can be.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Plumjam, experiences ARE anecdotes unless validated with evidence. Many of us have researched NDE's and have found that those are just anecdotes as well as natural responses of the brain being deprived of oxygen.

Did you have any valid evidence of the supernatural?

 

[Little 10 Toes]

And yes, I would dismiss those as anecdotal. No physical proof has been shown that any of those things exist. Once there is evidence, then we can review what is presented.

 

[plumjam]

Plumjam, experiences ARE anecdotes unless validated with evidence. Many of us have researched NDE's and have found that those are just anecdotes as well as natural responses of the brain being deprived of oxygen.

Did you have any valid evidence of the supernatural?

ok, try a little test, put a plastic bag over your head (with a friend present) and when your brain is being deprived of oxygen see if you go up a tunnel to a light described universally as unconditional love, see if then you are led through a review of your life, experiencing all the good and bad moral effects you have had on people you have interacted with...

across cultures these experiences are reported from those coming back from the dead

if you have really, as you claim, investigated NDEs you will be familiar with the fact that returners have reported events within, say, an operating theatre, in great detail, during the time they showed no respiration or brain activity. Plus the experiments when objects were placed in high places, invisible from the operating table, and were then reported back when the person returned to their body..
this, most intriguingly, has been reported by people who were blind all their lives, and only saw for the first time when leaving the body

etc..etc..etc..

 

[Little 10 Toes]

ok, try a little test, put a plastic bag over your head (with a friend present) and when your brain is being deprived of oxygen see if you go up a tunnel to a light described universally as unconditional love, see if then you are led through a review of your life, experiencing all the good and bad moral effects you have had on people you have interacted with...

and this proves what?

across cultures these experiences are reported from those coming back from the dead

proof?

if you have really, as you claim, investigated NDEs you will be familiar with the fact that returners have reported events within, say, an operating theatre, in great detail, during the time they showed no respiration or brain activity. Plus the experiments when objects were placed in high places, invisible from the operating table, and were then reported back when the person returned to their body..
this, most intriguingly, has been reported by people who were blind all their lives, and only saw for the first time when leaving the body

proof?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Astronaughts experience the same thing in the spinning G-force tests.
Also, NDE experiences aren't all quite the same, what they "see" on the "other side" is very much influenced by their culture. Hindus don't see Jesus, for example.

 

[plumjam]

And yes, I would dismiss those as anecdotal. No physical proof has been shown that any of those things exist. Once there is evidence, then we can review what is presented.

does your own consciousness exist?

 

[plumjam]

Astronaughts experience the same thing in the spinning G-force tests.
Also, NDE experiences aren't all quite the same, what they "see" on the "other side" is very much influenced by their culture. Hindus don't see Jesus, for example.

so astronauts in a g-force machine experience a full life review in the presence of a white light they describe as unconditional love? I'd be interested to hear more about this.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

How do I know you exist? How do I know you're not a figment of someone's imagination? The voices in my head don't belive I exist.

 

[Slimething]

I suspect no "proof" of these things would be acceptable to you. And most of the examples you cite are necessarily experienced individually, and therefore would be dismissed by you as 'anecdotal'. If you are truly interested in the afterlife, heaven, hell, purgatory, limbo, angels, demons, God and Satan then perhaps you can research Near Death Experiences.. the books of Dr. Raymond Moody, for example.
After all, it seems most logical to me, that if you want to know if anything happens after death you would go and ask those who have been clinically dead for a short while and then came back.
Go ahead, nice test of how open minded you can be.

Certainly, anyone who bases their creedence of psychics on any imagined efficiency in the US government would believe the recollections of an anoxic brain as to what death is like. In for a penny, in for a pound!