Penn & Teller on Alternative Medicine

Amorelli said:
Well just because Magnets may not work, lets not write off the whole natural meds world. The synthetic meds may help people with their symptoms but they don't cure. What does cure is changing your lifestyle because obviously you did something to bring on the illness. You can't just pop a pill and keep doing what you're doing and think it will go away. Natural meds work with the body to cure, but you can't just think that will work either.

People are to relient on pills to help them. People need to take responsibility for their body and eat healthy and work out. You can't pop a pill (synthetic or natural) and think now you can eat garbage and drink garbage (pizza, soda, gatorade...ect).

So maybe those natural meds didn't work in the studies but those test subjects probably kept living their junk food, lazy lifestyle that got them sick to begin with.
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It's been fun providing information but this has now exited onto the "If it didn't work blame the patient" road on the "Illness is the fault of the patient" turnpike.

See ya around.

-Greyman
 
Amorelli said:
Well just because Magnets may not work, lets not write off the whole natural meds world. The synthetic meds may help people with their symptoms but they don't cure. What does cure is changing your lifestyle because obviously you did something to bring on the illness. You can't just pop a pill and keep doing what you're doing and think it will go away. Natural meds work with the body to cure, but you can't just think that will work either.

People are to relient on pills to help them. People need to take responsibility for their body and eat healthy and work out. You can't pop a pill (synthetic or natural) and think now you can eat garbage and drink garbage (pizza, soda, gatorade...ect).

So maybe those natural meds didn't work in the studies but those test subjects probably kept living their junk food, lazy lifestyle that got them sick to begin with.
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What is you don't understand. If a natural herb or whatever works the EVIL medical companies will use it. They will make it in to a pill which you then will hate.
 
Amorelli said:
People are to relient on pills to help them. People need to take responsibility for their body and eat healthy and work out.
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Conventional medicine has been telling people this for years. For some reason people don't listen.
 
geni said:
Conventional medicine has been telling people this for years. For some reason people don't listen.
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Every doctor I've talked to recommended eating high fat, high cholesterol foods, and not exercising. They said if I take their pill, I'd be just fine. At least, that's what the alt-med people keep trying to convince me.
 
Can you prove that there isn't an invisible pink unicorn living in Nancy Reagan's sock drawer who runs the Columbian cocaine cartels and ordered the assassination of JFK?

Besides, you're the one making the claim that the "synthetic" drugs and the medical industry kills "hundreds of thousands" of people. The burden of proof falls to you.d

Therefore, put up or shut up...preferably the latter.
 
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geni said:
Sure. Everything (with the posible exception of helium) is toxic it just depends on the dose.



Not really. When you have a fairly short life expectancy it is a bit hard to tell why someone died. I doubt they had a yellow card system. Incerdentaly could you define natural.
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1. well duh of course dose is an issue., but we weren't talking about dosage. You brought up that toxic stuff but you never mentioned dose the first time. I never mentioned dos and nobody else did. The thing is dose is harder to over do with natural and very easy to do with synthetic. Infact over dosing on synthetic pills is one reason why people die in the hands on doctors (i've seen the stories on tv).

Fun fact: it's impossible to have a fatal over dose on marijuana. Aspirin cause more deaths than marijuana. So why ban it? Because our government are crooks. You can't trust anything. I would post a link about marijuana because there is such a thing as medical marijuana but I need 15 posts first to link.

So marijuana (natural) is safer than cigs (synthetic). Pot can help people while cigs kill people. So here is just one example of how government can be really crooked. Many studies show marijuana can help illness and yet its illegal. So there, I found a natural substance that can help but our government denies it.
 
Amorelli said:
Fun fact: it's impossible to have a fatal over dose on marijuana. Aspirin cause more deaths than marijuana. So why ban it? Because our government are crooks. You can't trust anything. I would post a link about marijuana because there is such a thing as medical marijuana but I need 15 posts first to link.

So marijuana (natural) is safer than cigs (synthetic). Pot can help people while cigs kill people. So here is just one example of how government can be really crooked. Many studies show marijuana can help illness and yet its illegal. So there, I found a natural substance that can help but our government denies it.
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Non [SIZE=-1]sequitur[/SIZE]. The legal status of marijuana and tobacco (for right or for wrong) has nothing to do with the safety or effectiveness of modern medical treatments. It's a completely separate issue.

In other words, don't change the f--king subject.
 
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Amorelli said:
1. well duh of course dose is an issue., but we weren't talking about dosage. You brought up that toxic stuff but you never mentioned dose the first time. I never mentioned dos and nobody else did. The thing is dose is harder to over do with natural and very easy to do with synthetic. Infact over dosing on synthetic pills is one reason why people die in the hands on doctors (i've seen the stories on tv).

Fun fact: it's impossible to have a fatal over dose on marijuana. Aspirin cause more deaths than marijuana. So why ban it? Because our government are crooks. You can't trust anything. I would post a link about marijuana because there is such a thing as medical marijuana but I need 15 posts first to link.

So marijuana (natural) is safer than cigs (synthetic). Pot can help people while cigs kill people. So here is just one example of how government can be really crooked. Many studies show marijuana can help illness and yet its illegal. So there, I found a natural substance that can help but our government denies it.
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Are you smoking any natural pot right now? That would explain a few things.
 
It doesn't directly relate to medicine but if you know how f*cked up the government is, then you aren't too surprised that the medical industry is f*cked up. Everything has to go through the FDA (government), so if you know how f*cked up they are again it leads to the conclusion that maybe the medicine industry is being compromised.

Anyways marijuana does have to do with medicine because it can be used for medicine and be much safer than the drugs that take its place.
This documentary will show you that despite its good it can do, the government will still ban something and say its no good. So do you trust them to tell you other medicine will do you good or bad if they lie all the time?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJr7a7aqEvE&search=illegal

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1871783678882092937
Sweet misery will show you how corrupt the FDA is. Why do they allow products to be sold to Americans that are proven killers/illness causing?

So do you trust them to sell you drugs that can help you? Isn't it a bit hypocritical or atleast suspicious?

Here is a study done about medical deaths http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/deadmedmisre.html
 
Amorelli said:
It doesn't directly relate to medicine but if you know how f*cked up the government is, then you aren't too surprised that the medical industry is f*cked up. Everything has to go through the FDA (government), so if you know how f*cked up they are again it leads to the conclusion that maybe the medicine industry is being compromised.

Anyways marijuana does have to do with medicine because it can be used for medicine and be much safer than the drugs that take its place.
This documentary will show you that despite its good it can do, the government will still ban something and say its no good. So do you trust them to tell you other medicine will do you good or bad if they lie all the time?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJr7a7aqEvE&search=illegal

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1871783678882092937
Sweet misery will show you how corrupt the FDA is. Why do they allow products to be sold to Americans that are proven killers/illness causing?

So do you trust them to sell you drugs that can help you? Isn't it a bit hypocritical or atleast suspicious?

Here is a study done about medical deaths http://www.annieappleseedproject.org/deadmedmisre.html
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Everyone is bad except the natural "doctors" and their natural cures.

And yes we know that the US goverment is pretty stupid I mean they know things like homeopathy is worthless and still no ban.

And yes we know medicine companies want to make money. Lots of money. But what is the name of this thread? "Penn & Teller on Alternative Medicine"
STAY ON TOPIC!
 
Amorelli said:
1. well duh of course dose is an issue., but we weren't talking about dosage. You brought up that toxic stuff but you never mentioned dose the first time. I never mentioned dos and nobody else did. The thing is dose is harder to over do with natural and very easy to do with synthetic.
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Don't knopw much about poisen do you. While the synthic stuff may be better if you want to use gas if you can get the person to ingest of inhject them natural is the way to go.

Fun fact: it's impossible to have a fatal over dose on marijuana.
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Fun fact: I can think of at least three ways to kill you using marijuana inside 30 seconds.

Aspirin cause more deaths than marijuana.
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Also more common.

So why ban it? Because our government are crooks. You can't trust anything. I would post a link about marijuana because there is such a thing as medical marijuana but I need 15 posts first to link.
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It is fairly tivial to isolate any useful parts of marijuana.

So marijuana (natural) is safer than cigs (synthetic).
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Err tobacco is a plant. Genus nicotiana.

Many studies show marijuana can help illness and yet its illegal.
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It is generaly accepted that it supresses the symptoms. You know the very thing you were complaining about.
 
Amorelli said:
It doesn't directly relate to medicine but if you know how f*cked up the government is, then you aren't too surprised that the medical industry is f*cked up. Everything has to go through the FDA (government), so if you know how f*cked up they are again it leads to the conclusion that maybe the medicine industry is being compromised.
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Err FDA doesn't really have much to do with my countries healthcare.
 
Amorelli said:
So maybe those natural meds didn't work in the studies but those test subjects probably kept living their junk food, lazy lifestyle that got them sick to begin with.
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Well, then apparently the peolpe that pop the bad, chemical pills are much better aligned to the needs of their odies, since the same studies show that these people get better after taking the evil drugs from big pharma.

Hence, my guess is that the peolpe that take artifical medicatio understand much better what health is all about. They are much more able to do whatever it takes to get healthy again - be that due to drugs, life style changes or a combination of both.

I'm just glad that both my parents and I are so much smarter than the dumb'!*&"s that rely on natural remedies. Saved my life more than once.
 
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