Penn & Teller barbecue the Bible

[elliotfc]

We all have choices. I've made mine, and I assume you've made yours.

All is well.

And then we die. You two have that in common. You can argue that you're both going in the same *real* direction, and the banter is just filler.

-Elliot

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
We all have choices. I've made mine, and I assume you've made yours.

All is well.

And then we die. You two have that in common. You can argue that you're both going in the same *real* direction, and the banter is just filler.....

Yup.

When I die, if there really wasn't a God or afterlife, what did I lose in life?

When Pauliesonne dies, and if there is a God and afterlife, what's he gonna say?

Rejection of God is the ultimate in losing, and for all the wrong reasons.

 

[fuelair]

The depth and range of RandFan's knowledge continues to amaze me.

Just remember to use stainless steel pellets or you will need to be careful in eating the shark.

 

[Pauliesonne]

Yup.

When I die, if there really wasn't a God or afterlife, what did I lose in life?

When Pauliesonne dies, and if there is a God and afterlife, what's he gonna say?

Rejection of God is the ultimate in losing, and for all the wrong reasons.

...and for all you know the Jews were correct and you are rejecting God.

Tell me....when you go to bed tonight, will the thought ever enter your head about what awaits after your death.

I once did.

 

[RandFan]

The depth and range of RandFan's knowledge continues to amaze me.

I missed this stroke to my ego. You flatter me.

 

[Buckaroo]

Yup.

When I die, if there really wasn't a God or afterlife, what did I lose in life?

When Pauliesonne dies, and if there is a God and afterlife, what's he gonna say?

Rejection of God is the ultimate in losing, and for all the wrong reasons.

Please tell me a member of this forum didn't just trot out Pascal's Wager -- isn't this one of the most thoroughly refuted ideas in philosophy?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Yup.

When I die, if there really wasn't a God or afterlife, what did I lose in life?

When Pauliesonne dies, and if there is a God and afterlife, what's he gonna say?

Rejection of God is the ultimate in losing, and for all the wrong reasons.

...and for all you know the Jews were correct and you are rejecting God.

I worship the same God as the Jews.

Tell me....when you go to bed tonight, will the thought ever enter your head about what awaits after your death.

Nope. I fall asleep really fast.

I tend to think of the afterlife when thinking about loved ones who have passed on.

I once did.

And what did you figure awaits after your death?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Yup.

When I die, if there really wasn't a God or afterlife, what did I lose in life?

When Pauliesonne dies, and if there is a God and afterlife, what's he gonna say?

Rejection of God is the ultimate in losing, and for all the wrong reasons.

Please tell me a member of this forum didn't just trot out Pascal's Wager

Okay.

A member of this forum did not just trot out Pascal's Wager.

isn't this one of the most thoroughly refuted ideas in philosophy?

I don't know. Don't care, either.

 

[Pauliesonne]

I worship the same God as the Jews.



Nope. I fall asleep really fast.

I tend to think of the afterlife when thinking about loved ones who have passed on.



And what did you figure awaits after your death?

If a group believe in a donkey, it is one thing.

If a group believe in a donkey with a subrero, it's another thing.

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I figured the afterlife is something that life itself can and will never understand and all that claim to know can't because no human can.

 

[RandFan]

I worship the same God as the Jews.

Depends on how you define god. Jews don't subscribe to the concept of trinity. Jews don't believe that Christ is god nor do they believe in a holy ghost (AIU).

 

[ImaginalDisc]

First, I don't think you're appreciating the context of the point. The Life of Appollonius being analogous to the canonical gospels...and jjramsey was responding to the idea that the gospels copped the crucifixion when it can't be found in the analogue.

Second, the Christian would say that the canonical gospels would be the primary evidence. Whatever. If Christ was crucified, then the canonical gospels are the primary evidence. If Christ wasn't crucified, then the canonical gospels are curious mythic artifacts. Objective reality determines whether they are evidence or not, and not the other way around.

-Elliot

None of which is at all relevant to the question I asked. Thanks for playing.

 

[Pauliesonne]

Depends on how you define god. Jews don't subscribe to the concept of trinity. Jews don't believe that Christ is god nor do they believe in a holy ghost (AIU).

See, that's the problem.

When I try to say that, my mind goes completely blankkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

 

[Buckaroo]

Okay.

A member of this forum did not just trot out Pascal's Wager.

*Whew.* Thanks!

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
I worship the same God as the Jews.

If a group believe in a donkey, it is one thing.

If a group believe in a donkey with a subrero, it's another thing.

It's still a donkey. It's just wearing a hat.

I figured the afterlife is something that life itself can and will never understand and all that claim to know can't because no human can.

That's pretty much how I see it, too.

 

[Huntster]

*Whew.* Thanks!

You're welcome!

 

[Huntster]

...Thanks for playing.

I think he's probably "played" with you before, knows your "game", and is too wise to "play" with you anymore.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
I worship the same God as the Jews.

Depends on how you define god.

God:

The infinite divine being, one in being yet three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. God has revealed himself as the "One who is," as truth and love, as creator of all that is, as the author of divine revelation, and as the source of salvation (198, 279).

Jews don't subscribe to the concept of trinity. Jews don't believe that Christ is god nor do they believe in a holy ghost (AIU).

Okay. I worship the same God as the Jews, but they don't worship the same complete God as me.

 

[RandFan]

Okay. I worship the same God as the Jews, but they don't worship the same complete God as me.

Jews believe in A
Christians believe in B

For Jews A is not B
For Christians B = Not B

Very good.

 

[Huntster]

Jews believe in A
Christians believe in B

For Jews A is not B
For Christians B = Not B

Very good.

No, I think that's faulty.

Jews believe in A.
Christians believe in A, B, and C.

Jews don't accept B (as Christians do) nor C, but Christians certainly accept A.

Penn and Teller don't accept anything. They will lie in order to make poor examples of others, but by doing so they have become liars. They say their lies are justified.

I say that they're simply liars and fools.

 

[RandFan]

No, I think that's faulty.

Jews believe in A.
Christians believe in A, B, and C.

Jews don't accept B (as Christians do) nor C, but Christians certainly accept A.

But to a Christian who believes in the trinity A is B is C. That is not the same as A.