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That's a cherry picking attitude. If the endeavour is only worth-while if and only if the result was positive, you're throwing out all the knowledge gained from non-results. Sometimes it's great information to know that there is no difference between two methods. Plus, taking that attitude means that the Houston Texans are the biggest waste of money ever, even above PEAR. :D
You mean to tell me they aren't?


(One year of highschool in Houston, Tx. Some of the biggest a-hole students I ever met.)
 
That's a cherry picking attitude. If the endeavour is only worth-while if and only if the result was positive, you're throwing out all the knowledge gained from non-results. Sometimes it's great information to know that there is no difference between two methods. Plus, taking that attitude means that the Houston Texans are the biggest waste of money ever, even above PEAR. :D

Ah, no, I should have explained myself better. I didn't say mean if nothing is found, it shouldn't have been done, I was saying the opposite. That because something might be found, it's always worthwhile investigating. But PEAR took it far too far in my opinion. It doesn't take 30 years to figure out something isn't working, and why. So it was worthwhile for a certain amount of time, then after that was just a complete waste of everyone's time and money. Is there really 30 years and millions of dollars worth of useful data, either in results or non-results?
 
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It doesn't take 30 years to figure out something isn't working, and why. So it was worthwhile for a certain amount of time, then after that was just a complete waste of everyone's time and money. Is there really 30 years and millions of dollars worth of useful data, either in results or non-results?

At least we can finally say, "After 30 years of research, no conclusive evidence was produced to support the claim that the mind can influence matter and energy on its own, or that the mind can perceive conditions and events without the use of the seven physical senses."

At least we have that.
 
Yes. You Are. It could only be one of two things: Something you did, or something you said. Try to remember every detail of your life over the last five years. Be sure to include every sigh, twitch, or hesitation.

Oh, and bring flowers. She will either forgive you or place them on your grave. It's a 50/50 chance, either way.


[latex]$$lim_{n \to \infty} P(s) = 0$$
\linebreak Where $n$ is the niceness of my wife's emails and $P(s)$
\linebreak is the probability of my survival.[/latex]

Math solves everything! Well, at least it quantifies everything.

By the way, I think I'm at like 90-10 against now. She just told me she appreciates me. :)
 
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At least we can finally say, "After 30 years of research, no conclusive evidence was produced to support the claim that the mind can influence matter and energy on its own, or that the mind can perceive conditions and events without the use of the seven physical senses."

At least we have that.

Actually, that's a good point, although again it comes back to the quality of the research in the first place.

But I often make that same argument for the entire field of Parapsychology. If, after around 100 years, nothing replicable has been found, what on earth is the point of continuing to spend money, time and effort of it? At least until such a time as (real) science makes a breakthrough that changes our knowledge and understanding of the physical world to allow for the possibility of paranormal ability. As far as present understanding goes, telepathy is not possible because there is no mechanism for it, right? So until that understanding changes based on new physical evidence, I don't see the point of testing the people who claim to be able to do it, or even those who don't. Shouldn't the default position be that there simply isn't anything there to test?

Take Sheldrake's telephone telepathy experiments as an example. There is nothing about the claims of telephone telepathy that can't be explained by mundane means. So why spend the money continuing to pursue a telepathic explanation as opposed to, say, a gardening explanation or an ice-skating explanation? What annoys me about it is that perception does not equal reality, and research like this seems to be trying to make perception reality. Why? Just because some people think it's spooky that they 'know' it's their sister on the line before answering, why does the explanation for that have to be that yes, it is spooky! Why can't it be no, it's not spooky, you just perceive it that way!
 
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Why continue "Paranormal Research"?

1) A new technology and/or method of inquiry comes along that either utterly proves or utterly disproves the claim that "Paranormal Phenomena" are real.

2) It keeps "Paranormal Researchers" employed and off the street.

I know, the second one is pretty lame, but aside from involuntary organ donations, what do they contribute to science and society?

As for the first one, I'm not exactly holding my breath while waiting for Mr. Randi to pay out on his 1M$ Challenge.
 
Math solves everything! Well, at least it quantifies everything.

By the way, I think I'm at like 90-10 against now. She just told me she appreciates me. :)

I'm so sorry ... and you've contributed so much to the JREF fora. We'll miss you.

Can I have your keyboard?
 
I'm so sorry ... and you've contributed so much to the JREF fora. We'll miss you.

Can I have your keyboard?

No! It shall mark my grave!

Besides, I've got a 10%... 6%... 4%... 3%... 0.12% chance of survival. :)
 
Why continue "Paranormal Research"?

1) A new technology and/or method of inquiry comes along that either utterly proves or utterly disproves the claim that "Paranormal Phenomena" are real.

2) It keeps "Paranormal Researchers" employed and off the street.

I know, the second one is pretty lame, but aside from involuntary organ donations, what do they contribute to science and society?

As for the first one, I'm not exactly holding my breath while waiting for Mr. Randi to pay out on his 1M$ Challenge.

For point #2, didn't Jonathan Swift write the same thing about the Roman Catholic Church?
 
For point #2, didn't Jonathan Swift write the same thing about the Roman Catholic Church?


Hmm ... point taken. Places like PEARS may merely provide incentive for inventions like "Psi-Wheels" and Homeopathic devices and protocols.

I wonder if there is an analogue to the "Protestant Reformation" in the Church of Woo.
 
You mean to tell me they aren't?


(One year of highschool in Houston, Tx. Some of the biggest a-hole students I ever met.)

And I would respond with further comments about the Houston Texans, but I wouldn't want to violate the rules regarding cruel and hateful content. :whistling
 

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