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Patriotic education Law signed today by Greg Abbott

They approve of the christian colleges in a big way.
For whatever that is worth in real life skills education.

Lernin those values and knowing jesus saves seemed to be all I ever seen of graduates of those places. Kids that graduated UNAM, MIT, DeVry all seemed to get more job skills than them.
 
They approve of the christian colleges in a big way.
For whatever that is worth in real life skills education.

Lernin those values and knowing jesus saves seemed to be all I ever seen of graduates of those places. Kids that graduated UNAM, MIT, DeVry all seemed to get more job skills than them.

I think Christian colleges are mostly so religious young people meet, marry, and produce Christian children quickly, before life experience causes loss of faith.
 
I'm sure our dear Gov. Abbott doesn't want Texas schoolchildren to read articles like this:

We've Been Telling the Alamo Story Wrong for Nearly 200 Years. Now It's Time to Correct the Record

Imagine if the U.S. were to open interior Alaska for colonization and, for whatever reason, thousands of Canadian settlers poured in, establishing their own towns, hockey rinks and Tim Hortons stores. When the U.S. insists they follow American laws and pay American taxes, they refuse. When the government tries to collect taxes, they shoot and kill American soldiers. When law enforcement goes after the killers, the colonists, backed by Canadian financing and mercenaries, take up arms in open revolt.

As an American, how would you feel? Now you can imagine how Mexican President Jose Lopez de Santa Anna would have felt in 1835, because that’s pretty much the story of the revolution that paved the way for Texas to become its own nation and then an American state.

Start with the Alamo. So much of what we “know” about the battle is provably wrong. William Travis never drew any line in the sand; this was a tale concocted by an amateur historian in the late 1800s. There is no evidence Davy Crockett went down fighting, as John Wayne famously did in his 1960 movie The Alamo, a font of misinformation; there is ample testimony from Mexican soldiers that Crockett surrendered and was executed. The battle, in fact, should never have been fought. Travis ignored multiple warnings of Santa Anna’s approach and was simply trapped in the Alamo when the Mexican army arrived. He wrote some dramatic letters during the ensuing siege, it’s true, but how anyone could attest to the defenders’ “bravery” is beyond us. The men at the Alamo fought and died because they had no choice. Even the notion they “fought to the last man” turns out to be untrue. Mexican accounts make clear that, as the battle was being lost, as many as half the “Texian” defenders fled the mission and were run down and killed by Mexican lancers.

Nor is it at all clear that the Alamo’s defenders “bought time” for Sam Houston to raise the army that eventually defeated Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto the following month. Santa Anna had told Mexico City he expected to take San Antonio by March 2; he ended up doing so on March 6. In the end, the siege at the Alamo ended up costing him all of four days. Meaning the Alamo’s defenders, far from being the valiant defenders who delayed Santa Anna, pretty much died for nothing.

And of course, it wasn't about slavery at all. Nope, not at all, ya betcha!

And Mexican-American history isn’t the only piece of the past that’s distorted by the Alamo myth. Academic researchers long tiptoed around the issue of slavery in Texas; active research didn’t really begin until the 1980s. Since then, scholars such as Randolph Campbell and Andrew Torget have demonstrated that slavery was the single issue that regularly drove a wedge between early Mexican governments—dedicated abolitionists all—and their American colonists in Texas, many of whom had immigrated to farm cotton, the province’s only cash crop at the time.

His correspondence shows conclusively that Stephen F. Austin, the so-called “Father of Texas,” spent years jousting with the Mexico City bureaucracy over the necessity of enslaved labor to the Texas economy. “Nothing is wanted but money,” he wrote in a pair of 1832 letters, “and Negros are necessary to make it.” Each time a Mexican government threatened to outlaw slavery, many in Austin’s colony began packing to go home. In time, as we know now, they put away their suitcases and brought out their guns.

No, we can't have any of these socialist America-hating critical race theory bastards polluting the "truth" about the great state of Texas! Support Gov. Abbott and his fight for the "truth"!
 
I'm sure our dear Gov. Abbott doesn't want Texas schoolchildren to read articles like this:

We've Been Telling the Alamo Story Wrong for Nearly 200 Years. Now It's Time to Correct the Record





And of course, it wasn't about slavery at all. Nope, not at all, ya betcha!



No, we can't have any of these socialist America-hating critical race theory bastards polluting the "truth" about the great state of Texas! Support Gov. Abbott and his fight for the "truth"!

Everything in the article is true. The Battle of the the Alamo, as most Americans believe it to have happened, is a myth. Total Hollywood hype. For a real military historian's detailed account of what really happened, there is this video. You can skip past the parts you don't find relevant.

 
I'm sure our dear Gov. Abbott doesn't want Texas schoolchildren to read articles like this:

Well, a lot of this article isn't objectively true. For instance, some of the things that it claims are presently-held "myths" aren't really presently-held and haven't been for decades. It is actually quite well-known that the Alamo garrison was caught by surprise by the arrival of Santa Anna's army, and the notion that Crockett "died fighting" was understood to be disputed as early as the 1950's. It was also never treated as a genuine matter of fact that Col. Travis drew a "line in the sand"; it is acknowledged to be added drama.

The whole passage comes off like one of those pulp articles you see from time to time breathlessly claiming to expose how "everything you think you know about US history is wrong!!!1!1!!" only for it to be stuff that nobody has actually believed in a century or so, like "Washington never chopped down his dad's cherry tree".
 
Well, a lot of this article isn't objectively true. For instance, some of the things that it claims are presently-held "myths" aren't really presently-held and haven't been for decades. It is actually quite well-known that the Alamo garrison was caught by surprise by the arrival of Santa Anna's army, and the notion that Crockett "died fighting" was understood to be disputed as early as the 1950's. It was also never treated as a genuine matter of fact that Col. Travis drew a "line in the sand"; it is acknowledged to be added drama.

The whole passage comes off like one of those pulp articles you see from time to time breathlessly claiming to expose how "everything you think you know about US history is wrong!!!1!1!!" only for it to be stuff that nobody has actually believed in a century or so, like "Washington never chopped down his dad's cherry tree".

The author never claims they are "presently held" myths (by historians), he says they "remain cherished" myths in Texas and that they are what "most Americans know" about the Alamo/story of Texas independence. And he's right. Most Americans get their beliefs of history from movies and TV.

But it seems not even a Texas state rep knows his TX history very well:


"James White, a state representative who went to Houston public schools, undoubtedly took Texas history as a schoolboy before getting his doctorate and teaching Texas history himself. But whether White has actually learned Texas history is an open question after he published a since-deleted tweet hollering at the governor to lift coronavirus restrictions.

“As goes Tx, goes the US, goes the entire world,” he tweeted. “The American West was won at the Alamo AND the defeat of COVID19 must begin in Texas. OPEN & UNLEASH THE LONE STAR STATE!!!”

Nor do those young adults who were required to take Texas history in school know their TX/Alamo history very well:

In the February 2020 UT/Texas Tribune poll, Henson asked Texans, in effect, if they were smarter than a seventh-grader: “Whose armed forces won the Battle of the Alamo in 1836?”
It was a multiple-choice question, and still, only a little more than half of all Texans – 56 percent – got it right.
Texas aged 18-29 are the least likely to know Mexico won the Battle of the Alamo (43 percent), and the most likely to think Texas won (31 percent), that the United States won 10 percent), and to say they don’t know at 17 percent, which I suppose is a way of answering the question correctly.
As we’ve mentioned, every single public school student in Texas gets a family-sized container of Alamo education.
https://sanantonioreport.org/who-won-the-battle-of-the-alamo/
 
The author never claims they are "presently held" myths (by historians), he says they "remain cherished" myths in Texas and that they are what "most Americans know" about the Alamo/story of Texas independence. And he's right.

I didn't say "by historians"; and no, he's not. Most Americans do not believe these myths about the Alamo.

Most Americans get their beliefs of history from movies and TV.

The last major motion picture about the Alamo depicts Crockett being captured and executed, and also the garrison being surprised and unprepared for the arrival of Santa Anna.

So if "most Americans" get their beliefs of history from movies, they're not doing too badly if that's the last Alamo movie they watched.


But it seems not even a Texas state rep knows his TX history very well:




Nor do those young adults who were required to take Texas history in school know their TX/Alamo history very well:

These examples don't even demonstrate the point. These are people who don't appear to have even the most basic knowledge of the Alamo apart from dimly recognizing the name and gave a guessed answer. I think it's a safe bet they are likewise completely unaware of even the existence of disputed details like exactly how Crockett is supposed to have died or whether Travis was "surprised" or not by the siege, let alone committed to an incorrect version of those events.

And the revelation that many adults don't remember points of historical trivia they were taught in middle school or even earlier (I went to elementary school in Texas, and we were taught Texas history during fourth grade) is hardly shocking, either.
 
I didn't say "by historians"; and no, he's not. Most Americans do not believe these myths about the Alamo.

No, you didn't say "by historians" but your claim was that: "For instance, some of the things that it claims are presently-held "myths" aren't really presently-held and haven't been for decades."

Yet you have no evidence that the "most Americans" who aren't historians (amateur or otherwise) don't still believe these myths. On the other hand, a poll of people in Texas clearly demonstrates that a large percentage don't even know that the Mexicans won the battle at the Alamo. What makes you think they would know the real facts vs the myths if they don't even know that very basic fact?

The last major motion picture about the Alamo depicts Crockett being captured and executed, and also the garrison being surprised and unprepared for the arrival of Santa Anna.

So if "most Americans" get their beliefs of history from movies, they're not doing too badly if that's the last Alamo movie they watched.

Not if that poll I cited is any evidence. And it is.

These examples don't even demonstrate the point. These are people who don't appear to have even the most basic knowledge of the Alamo apart from dimly recognizing the name and gave a guessed answer. I think it's a safe bet they are likewise completely unaware of even the existence of disputed details like exactly how Crockett is supposed to have died or whether Travis was "surprised" or not by the siege, let alone committed to an incorrect version of those events.

They demonstrate it quite well as the article was referring to the average person's knowledge, not those who study history as you and I have and do.

And the revelation that many adults don't remember points of historical trivia they were taught in middle school or even earlier (I went to elementary school in Texas, and we were taught Texas history during fourth grade) is hardly shocking, either.

"Historical trivia"? We're talking people educated and/or living IN TEXAS being asked who won the battle of the Alamo, not what Travis' middle name was. That's like asking a Hawaii resident "Who attacked Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7, 1941?" and them answering "the Germans" and then claiming that it was the Japanese is just "historical trivia".

It's not just forgetting their 7th grade required TX history lesson:


When Cynthia Orozco taught Texas history at the University of Texas at San Antonio, one of the first questions she would put to her students is who won the Alamo. From Anglo and Hispanic students alike, she would always hear, “We won.”
In Orozco’s college classes, “Basically, they would say that Mexico lost. The typical Texan mind is that Mexico lost the Alamo,” she said. “In the schools, basically the way we grew up is that the Alamo, what we learned from that as Mexican Americans is that Texas won and Mexico lost.Even if Mexico won at the Alamo, they lost because of the attention paid to the Texans.”“Who’s we?” she would ask.

Jose Menéndez, another TX state representative who represents the district where the Alamo is, also claimed that the Texans won the Alamo at a panel in 2016. A man in the audience corrected Menéndez:
“My question is related, but first I want to set the historical record correct. Senator Menéndez, you did not lose at the Alamo, and the children of San Antonio need to remember that,” he said.

Menéndez shrugged, put his right hand on his chest – over his heart, if you will – and said, “I’m an American.” Again, the crowd laughed, and not because anyone was trying to be funny. Things had gotten a little tense.

“They did lose the war, but they didn’t win that battle,” said the man at the back mic.

“The Mexicans won that battle,” said Menéndez, who paused, trying to draw the man into the light. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him think.
https://sanantonioreport.org/who-won-the-battle-of-the-alamo/
 
Well, a lot of this article isn't objectively true. For instance, some of the things that it claims are presently-held "myths" aren't really presently-held and haven't been for decades. ...".

Your experience and exposure in this matter may be limited to an informed circle. However, let's face it, most of the people backing the "patriotic" education policies in Texas and other states presently do hold these myths to be true and will probably see to it that they become the TRUTH (TM).
 
For the type who advocate for 'patriotic' education, the next step is to have the intellectuals adorned with placards, publicly berated in the town square, to be then hauled off to 're-education' camps. If not worse.

These days the 'ugly American' has morphed into that creature his parents and grandparents shed blood to defeat.
 
Everything in the article is true. The Battle of the the Alamo, as most Americans believe it to have happened, is a myth. Total Hollywood hype. For a real military historian's detailed account of what really happened, there is this video. You can skip past the parts you don't find relevant.


We went to visit the Alamo when we were in San Antonio. Coming at it from an outside perspective, and not knowing anything about the mythology that surrounds it, after seeing the details presented at the Alamo museum itself, we came away completely underwhelmed.

Wait a minute. This is supposed to be an inspirational American Hero story? Sounded like a bunch of losers to me.
 
Wait a minute. This is supposed to be an inspirational American Hero story? Sounded like a bunch of losers to me.

The Alamo: a bunch of idiot jerks doing something stupid, in a stupid way, for bad reasons, and most of what everybody remembers about it is completely backwards and wrong, and if you try to correct them a lot of people get furiously angry.....I'd say this is pretty much as perfectly American as anything could be! Short of adding a theme park to it and charging nine bucks for a soda, that would be even more USA.
 
For the type who advocate for 'patriotic' education, the next step is to have the intellectuals adorned with placards, publicly berated in the town square, to be then hauled off to 're-education' camps. If not worse.

These days the 'ugly American' has morphed into that creature his parents and grandparents shed blood to defeat.

It's no coincidence that those who advocate for "patriotic" education are also the ones trying to, or succeeding at, banning teaching critical race theory.

One must not look at the ugly truth of our past cuz it's un-American and busts the myths that I so want to believe in! :rolleyes:
 
Well, a lot of this article isn't objectively true. For instance, some of the things that it claims are presently-held "myths" aren't really presently-held and haven't been for decades. It is actually quite well-known that the Alamo garrison was caught by surprise by the arrival of Santa Anna's army, and the notion that Crockett "died fighting" was understood to be disputed as early as the 1950's. It was also never treated as a genuine matter of fact that Col. Travis drew a "line in the sand"; it is acknowledged to be added drama.

The whole passage comes off like one of those pulp articles you see from time to time breathlessly claiming to expose how "everything you think you know about US history is wrong!!!1!1!!" only for it to be stuff that nobody has actually believed in a century or so, like "Washington never chopped down his dad's cherry tree".

Except for being taught in schools. I mean you think Texas schools bring up the introduction of slavery to Mexico as the main cause of the creation of the Texas Republic? That all their great founders where illegally holding slaves in Mexico?
 
Your experience and exposure in this matter may be limited to an informed circle. However, let's face it, most of the people backing the "patriotic" education policies in Texas and other states presently do hold these myths to be true and will probably see to it that they become the TRUTH (TM).


They saw it in movies and on TV, so it must be true.
(My father is convinced that Houdini died on stage after drowning during an escape because of the 1953 movie he saw as a teenager.)
 
The Alamo: a bunch of idiot jerks doing something stupid, in a stupid way, for bad reasons, and most of what everybody remembers about it is completely backwards and wrong, and if you try to correct them a lot of people get furiously angry.....I'd say this is pretty much as perfectly American as anything could be! Short of adding a theme park to it and charging nine bucks for a soda, that would be even more USA.
Silly big hats.
 
Teaching kids that 'Murica is the greatest, most fantastic, non-racist, Christian, never did anything wrong like you've never seen before country IN THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD,YEEEEHAWWW!

IOW: a fake history and propaganda.

Education is actually nothing more than indoctrination, but in this case, propaganda.... absolutely.
 
I am shocked SHOCKED this is happening in the state where the school board elected to remove Thomas Jefferson from their history books in favor *checks notes* ...Moses.
 
Everything in the article is true. The Battle of the the Alamo, as most Americans believe it to have happened, is a myth. Total Hollywood hype. For a real military historian's detailed account of what really happened, there is this video. You can skip past the parts you don't find relevant.


And Huffaines is a nut and bolts military historian ..not a lefty historian.
He is right in saying it's wrong to take simplistic views of this on either side in the Texas Revolution. There are no angels on either side. The Texans were slave owners;Santa Anna was a ruthless military dictator.(See Goliad for details).
Travis was a lousy commander, but Santa Anna at San Jacinto was no better,there he was taken by surprise by Sam Houston.

Very good lecture.btw.

As far as movies goes, The 1960 John Wayne version is ridiculous;the 2003 movie takes a couple of liberties, but is on the whole pretty accurate.

Of course the Texas law is asinine.

"Patriotic History" is ridiculous;but so is the left wing equvilent.
 
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