Passing Peak Trump?

The Shrike said:
Why isn't the answer the 42% rock-solid support he's had through 31 indictments, impeachment, stock market crash, and bungled pandemic response?
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That is what any POTUS would get out of sheer party loyalty.
it's the undecideds who decide electins, and I think Donnie is losing them.
 
The Shrike said:
Why isn't the answer the 42% rock-solid support he's had through 31 indictments, impeachment, stock market crash, and bungled pandemic response?
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NO ONE's support is that rock-solid. As recently as the eve of the Senate Removal vote a vast majority was polled as wanting Trump removed.

Someone's playing games with the numbers.
 
llwyd said:
Based on what empirical data?
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I don't have any empirical data myself, but it's consistent with my impression of human nature. In times of uncertainty and doubt, a conservative mindset prevails. Things have to be pretty bad, for a pretty long time, before people switch over to revolutionary progressivism.

Most progress actually happens incrementally, when times are good and people have enough surplus resources and surplus peace of mind to get out there and change things up.

IMO.

Do you really think we need empirical data for a discussion like this, at the level we're discussing it? Do you simply not *want* to discuss it? This is your way of trying to shut down a discussion based on personal opinion that you'd rather not have?
 
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phiwum said:
but by and large I think PBS and NPR aim for fairness. (Amna Nawaz drives me nuts when she interviews anyone on the right, however. I wish PBS would rein her in.)
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PBS and NPR aim for non-confrontation. Their reporters inevitably soft-ball questions to conservatives they have on.
 
All I was wondering is if we can translate poll results into absolute numbers, specifically of the impenetrably devoted trumpfers who will never abandon their semi-god and who will actually vote for him, no matter how egregiously he acts. That's the Lumpen that worries us all, the ones for whom the Constitution is at best a piece of paper, and (in their hearts) a tool of those revolutionary progressivists that Prestige just invented.


But everything's okay now that we have his opinion based on his impression of human nature.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
Probably you playing games. Most polls showed the slimmest of majorities (51/45/4), not a vast majority. That is cited as the peak in this article:


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-poll-impeachment-101245
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Those numbers are discounted. The American public supported new documents and testimony at a nearly 70% rate. If they didn't support the removal of Trump they would not have bothered wanting the testimony to establish the legal record to do so.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Those numbers are discounted. The American public supported new documents and testimony at a nearly 70% rate.
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I gave the correct number to correct the wrong number you gave. You're deliberately lying if you cite the answer to one question as the answer to another. Could you please help the side you claim to be on by not being as big a liar as their leader?

ChristianProgressive said:
If they didn't support the removal of Trump they would not have bothered wanting the testimony to establish the legal record to do so.
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You claimed a poll demonstrated that not that you were reading minds which is what this is.
 
theprestige said:
I don't have any empirical data myself, but it's consistent with my impression of human nature. In times of uncertainty and doubt, a conservative mindset prevails. Things have to be pretty bad, for a pretty long time, before people switch over to revolutionary progressivism.

Most progress actually happens incrementally, when times are good and people have enough surplus resources and surplus peace of mind to get out there and change things up.

IMO.

Do you really think we need empirical data for a discussion like this, at the level we're discussing it? Do you simply not *want* to discuss it? This is your way of trying to shut down a discussion based on personal opinion that you'd rather not have?
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Can it also depend on the type of fear? Economic, like the Great Depression and Recession, people picked the left. Social - backlash against the Great Society, riots, desegregation/busing etc. - then to the right.
 
theprestige said:
I'm pretty sure the only people who seriously think this was a bad day for Trump are the people who find a reason to think every day is a bad day for Trump.
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Actually, the only people who think that have convinced themselves that Trump can do no wrong.

:rolleyes:
 
I'm not too concerned about approval ratings anymore. The fact that someone approves of him now doesn't mean that they won't approve of Biden more in November. The real numbers are Biden vs. Trump in Florida and the Rust Belt and voters who will not vote for Trump no matter what. In January, NPR/Marist put that number at 57 percent. That's compared to only the 30ish percent who say they will vote for Trump.

Florida is a dead heat right now but if Biden pulls it off, he just has to win one other swing state, any swing state. He's also polling well in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Ohio, the Democrat trifecta.
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
I gave the correct number to correct the wrong number you gave. You're deliberately lying if you cite the answer to one question as the answer to another. Could you please help the side you claim to be on by not being as big a liar as their leader?
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Did the people support more witnesses and documents by the rate I stated or not? People who had already made up their minds to back Usurper Trump would not ask for more witnesses and documents.



You claimed a poll demonstrated that not that you were reading minds which is what this is.
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No, it's simple logic. People do not whiplash their opinions as sharply as they would have to if your scenario is true.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Did the people support more witnesses and documents by the rate I stated or not?
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That's not what you lied about and you know it. You lied about a vast majority of people supporting the removal of Trump from office. That is not what the polls showed.

You're helping make the anti-Trump side vulnerable by being a pernicious liar.
 
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