Passing Peak Trump?

Armitage72 said:
He also threw a group of AARP members out of his recent rally because they were conducting a silent protest. A Republican candidate who sufficiently alienates senior citizens is all but dead in the water.
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Any candidate who alienates the AARP does so at his peril. AARP is, by far, the largest advocacy group in the country (23 million members; half again as big as the NRA). And they vote.
 
Distracted1 said:
And for well over a year Trumps' fortunes have been on the rise.
Why would he have changed a thing over the last year as he won primaries, and climbed in the polls?
Now his campaign is faced with a downturn, is it entirely unreasonable to expect that the campaign was waiting to get negative results before altering strategy
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I suppose that is possible.
However, I put no stock in it. If Trump has more than one style and he hasn't started using the new style yet, I am doubtful he ever will. No, the way I look at the body of evidence, Trump cannot pivot. I will be amazed to the point of speechlessness if Trump displays a new style, approach, or message by the end of August.

But, different viewpoints of the same events are what keeps this sub-forum humming.
 
Stacko said:
They're taking advantage of his need to hit back with that ad as it also features his comments on Megyn Kelly from the debates. Guess what he'd been re-litigating at every rally? Those incidents which puts them back in the news. It interesting that he insists on helping them get their message out. Wait to the ads featuring his attacks on the Khans start airing.
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How the hell did this guy make so much money? Who in their right minds think any of this is smart.

The guy has diarrhea of the mouth and absolutely doesn't understand the effectiveness of good negative ads. He is giving the Clinton campaign a gold mine of material to work with.

I have always felt that Hillary would win but it would be a horse race. Trump has to find a way to get with 5 points of Hillary within 14 days or its over and it's going the other way. The press stories right now are all about disarray in the party and with his campaign, none of which helps.

Trump no longer can afford to dodge the debates. He needs something in his favor or else it's just running out the clock. Hillary would just say "fine, if Trump is such a coward, cancel them. I have better things to do with with my time than debating a loon."
 
Stacko said:
They're taking advantage of his need to hit back with that ad as it also features his comments on Megyn Kelly from the debates. Guess what he'd been re-litigating at every rally? Those incidents which puts them back in the news. It interesting that he insists on helping them get their message out. Wait to the ads featuring his attacks on the Khans start airing.
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A reporter commented just Monday that in their recent "one-on-one" interview, Trump shushed him three different times so he could catch something on TV news. He's obsessed with the coverage he gets and has to strike back. If he doesn't hit Facebook or Twitter, he works it into his routine.

He did the re-cap again in Orlando yesterday, bringing up the Kelly fiasco, the dancing muslims, and the follow up to that, the reporter he mocked. Fox, even, reporting on this, asked the rhetorical question, "Do you really have to give them new material every day?" When you see O'Reilly, Kelly, et al looking bemused and shrugging, you've got a problem.

My question is which Fox anchor/star is going to be the first to actually disown Trump on the air. I'd think that O'Reilly, whose show has turned into a cottage industry of Bill O'Reilly, Inc., could take his show to any network willing to give him the time and I'd bet that MSNBC or CNN would give him a slot. I could also see Megyn Kelly becoming a big bucks host for one of the broadcast networks' morning shows. Her street cred with moderate viewers has improved immensely since the Trump Wars.

Whomever.... I think it likely that one or the other makes headlines by actually dumping Trump on air, or taking a new job because they disagree with the network's blind vision. I can't imagine Hannity or Greta doing so. Hannity because he's too busy holding up Trump photos with one hand, and Greta because I don't think she has the following to take her act on the road.
 
Foolmewunz said:
A reporter commented just Monday that in their recent "one-on-one" interview, Trump shushed him three different times so he could catch something on TV news. He's obsessed with the coverage he gets and has to strike back. If he doesn't hit Facebook or Twitter, he works it into his routine.
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This is biggest problem at the moment. Trump is reacting, instead of setting his own path. The Clinton camp is going to bait him until he can show he has the discipline not to react. What's more the Clinton camp at the moment doesn't have to. The media is doing it for them.

Not because they are taking sides but because a train wreck makes good copy.
 
Ladewig said:
I suppose that is possible.
However, I put no stock in it. If Trump has more than one style and he hasn't started using the new style yet, I am doubtful he ever will. No, the way I look at the body of evidence, Trump cannot pivot. I will be amazed to the point of speechlessness if Trump displays a new style, approach, or message by the end of August.

But, different viewpoints of the same events are what keeps this sub-forum humming.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...ntervention-after-disastrous-48-hours-n622216


let the Pence campaign begin?
If intervention is successful, I think we are about to get inundated with anti-Hillary messages to extents only dreamed of in Talk-radio land.
 
Distracted1 said:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...ntervention-after-disastrous-48-hours-n622216


let the Pence campaign begin?
If intervention is successful, I think we are about to get inundated with anti-Hillary messages to extents only dreamed of in Talk-radio land.
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But now they are denying there was ever a Intervention planned...

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/newt-gingrich-trump-intervention-226661

Man the GOP circular firing squad just keeps getting better. It is pretty clear that Giulaini hates Gingrich's guts,and I am betting the feeling is mutual.
 
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Rudi could have just said "we're not doing that" without throwing Gingrich under the bus.

We begin to see the stress: infighting, blame throwing, poor message control. The GOP has lost the plot.
 
jhunter1163 said:
Any candidate who alienates the AARP does so at his peril. AARP is, by far, the largest advocacy group in the country (23 million members; half again as big as the NRA). And they vote.
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In 2013 NRA membership was given at 4.5M members. Don't know how many have joined since them, but I think AARP might have a bigger advantage than you indicate.
 
Distracted1 said:
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/201...ntervention-after-disastrous-48-hours-n622216


let the Pence campaign begin?
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Fine.
Of course there is a chance that Trump will be bothered by Pence getting more screen time and more column-inches. And even if that doesn't bother Trump, he is going to negate almost everything Pence says. That is how it has worked up until now.
If intervention is successful, I think we are about to get inundated with anti-Hillary messages to extents only dreamed of in Talk-radio land.
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OK.
Interventions are successful only if the person has the desire and the power to change. I assert Trump has neither.

Trump can run all the anti-Hillary ads he wants (or more precisely, can run all the anti-Hillary ads he can afford), Clinton has a ground game and is using poll data to target voters very precisely. Trump, however, wants to run his campaign and Trump is against using data, he believes rallies are the key to victory. Also, Clinton can outspend him.

As I said, if we see a new Trump I will gladly admit to being wrong and will not whine if you say "I told you so."
 
Mandatory Clock Disclaimer: My morning here is your "night before". I am 11 hours ahead of Eastern Daylight Time.

This morning, your Thursday night, the lead story on Megyn Kelly's show on the All Trump Network. "Trump stays on message for one speech.... but can it continue."

The ironic thing is that Fox has been lambasting the media for all the negative coverage of Trump's repeated slip-ups, but whether they have someone on to do a segment about the economy, the money to Iran, Hillary's liberties with the interpretation of Comey's comments,.... each and every guest is asked to comment about the unfair treatment in the mainstream [read: Librul] media and each then does more time discussing the same stories than they give to whatever issue they were invited on to discuss.

They even gave time to "discrediting" the Melanija/Illegal Immigrant story, but repeated the story and all the evidence and then editorialized that it was shameless, but gave their editorializing less time than they gave the story.
 
Ladewig said:
Fine.
Of course there is a chance that Trump will be bothered by Pence getting more screen time and more column-inches. And even if that doesn't bother Trump, he is going to negate almost everything Pence says. That is how it has worked up until now.


OK.
Interventions are successful only if the person has the desire and the power to change. I assert Trump has neither.

Trump can run all the anti-Hillary ads he wants (or more precisely, can run all the anti-Hillary ads he can afford), Clinton has a ground game and is using poll data to target voters very precisely. Trump, however, wants to run his campaign and Trump is against using data, he believes rallies are the key to victory. Also, Clinton can outspend him.

As I said, if we see a new Trump I will gladly admit to being wrong and will not whine if you say "I told you so."
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I am not suggesting we will start seeing a "new" Trump. Rather, we may start seeing/hearing much less from the old Trump. His team must surely realize that the only path left is to make this election a lot less about him- and a lot more about Hillary.
 
Distracted1 said:
His team must surely realize that the only path left is to make this election a lot less about him- and a lot more about Hillary.
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His team may realize that, but what good will that do? Trump would have to not focus on himself and not respond to bait from anyone. I'd give that lower chances than his getting elected.
 
Distracted1 said:
I am not suggesting we will start seeing a "new" Trump. Rather, we may start seeing/hearing much less from the old Trump. His team must surely realize that the only path left is to make this election a lot less about him- and a lot more about Hillary.
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Upchurch said:
His team may realize that, but what good will that do? Trump would have to not focus on himself and not respond to bait from anyone. I'd give that lower chances than his getting elected.
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Agreed.
Team Trump figured that out over 10 months ago. After individuals pointed it out, they either chose to leave or were asked to leave. To put it more metaphorically, all the mice might agree that putting a bell around the cat's neck would help everyone. But no mouse wants to volunteer for that job.

In short, if he irrationally and publicly attacks Republicans who have influence and who can help his campaign, imagine how irrationally he must attack campaign workers behind the scenes.
 
I can't be the first to wonder if his family, advisors, Republican colleagues and the like have made an impression and what we've been seeing for awhile is the tempered, reserved, modest Trump. If so, what must he be like if fully turned loose?
 
You know things are bad ...(good?) when Republicans are making a movie about Trump called "The Sociopath"
 
Ladewig said:
Agreed.
Team Trump figured that out over 10 months ago. After individuals pointed it out, they either chose to leave or were asked to leave. To put it more metaphorically, all the mice might agree that putting a bell around the cat's neck would help everyone. But no mouse wants to volunteer for that job.

In short, if he irrationally and publicly attacks Republicans who have influence and who can help his campaign, imagine how irrationally he must attack campaign workers behind the scenes.
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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/05/politics/donald-trump-endorse-paul-ryan/

And here comes the pivot.

A Donald Trump presidency would likely be disastrous but it is far from inconceivable at this point.
 
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