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I would be fine with that, as long as there were people would could understand it and state that the content was what you claimed it was.
Then why do you dispute Upchurch's description of the word(s) used in DoI when his knowledge of the language, particularly when it comes to American culture and history, exceeds yours?
Fortunately, I know more languages than just my own. That puts me at an advantage.
You have your own language?
 
How remarkable. Does anyone know what Claus point is? What is he trying to prove?
 
I would be fine with that, as long as there were people would could understand it and state that the content was what you claimed it was.

Fortunately, I know more languages than just my own. That puts me at an advantage.

I'm sorry to see you have abandoned all civility.
 
I am wondering if there is any other person who agrees with CFL on his "point".

Well sure, Religious Right thinks that. They use the same...ah..."logic"...to prove USA is a Christian country. They also have the same reaction to evidence when it's presented.
 
I am wondering if there is any other person who agrees with CFL on his "point".

But what is it?

-The DoI has some legal standing, moreso than the Federalist Papers say?
-That mentions of a creator in the Doi have any specific meaning today?
-That such meaning has any influence whatsoever on anything?
-That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are somehow "different" documents?
-That 18th century Humanist writing style is interpretable by 21st century people by their ridgid current conventions and that such an interpretation has any shread of accuracy regarding what was originally meant?
-That anyone other than one unnamed individual refers to the C., BoR and DoI as a "Holy Trinity" of american documents?
-That a couple of words offset the law of the nation?

I have no idea what the purpose of this mastabatory exercise is except to replay an old Python skit.

edit to add: do not expect an answer.
 
I finally made a christmas avatar... oh damn! Now Claus will use this as further evidence that the US gov't is a theocracy. :hit:
 
Then why do you dispute Upchurch's description of the word(s) used in DoI when his knowledge of the language, particularly when it comes to American culture and history, exceeds yours?

You can't understand Danish, so you'd have to rely on others to translate it for you. I, however, understands English.

You have your own language?

No, I know Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, English, some German, some French and a bit here and there of other languages.
 
I'm sorry to see you have abandoned all civility.

How so? I point to the fact that knowing more languages puts you at an advantage when it comes to understanding texts written in those languages.

Knowing more languages is uncivil?
 
-The DoI has some legal standing, moreso than the Federalist Papers say?

I have repeatedly said that I don't consider the DoI a legal document. I have no idea why this is brought up again and again.

-That mentions of a creator in the Doi have any specific meaning today?

If it doesn't, is that the only part we should disregard? If that isn't cherry-picking, I don't know what is.

-That such meaning has any influence whatsoever on anything?

Again, we cannot pick and choose the parts we like, and disregard the rest.

-That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are somehow "different" documents?

Sure, they are. But all three are collected as the Freedom Chapters. Those are the three founding documents of the United States. Everything else is built on these three documents.

-That 18th century Humanist writing style is interpretable by 21st century people by their ridgid current conventions and that such an interpretation has any shread of accuracy regarding what was originally meant?

On the contrary, I've pointed to the usage of those times.

-That anyone other than one unnamed individual refers to the C., BoR and DoI as a "Holy Trinity" of american documents?

Isn't it? Are those not the founding documents of the United States?

-That a couple of words offset the law of the nation?

I don't understand that: "offset the law"?

I have no idea what the purpose of this mastabatory exercise is except to replay an old Python skit.

edit to add: do not expect an answer.

I thought you came here for an argument.
 
I have repeatedly said that I don't consider the DoI a legal document. I have no idea why this is brought up again and again.

Well then, case closed. If it's not a legal document, it means nothing in the course of government.
 
When is the legality of a law determined?
What was the line you had just quoted? The constitutionality of the law is not determined until it is challenged.

I'm very aware of logical fallacies.
If that is true, you certainly have not applied that awareness to your arguments in this thread. They are riddled with logical fallacies.

My point, which you seem to ignore, is that I said that abstinence is a hallmark of the religious Right. I didn't say that abstinence in itself is religious. Are we clear on this?
We are. Are we clear on what my point is about why faith based initiatives have not yet been found to be unconstitutional? (You know, the actual point of contention?)

I'm not sure I agree with you there. While McCarthyism was a rather scary force in American culture, it was never a question of what to be more scared of.
Yes, Claus, it was. Try re-reading my argument on this. McCarthyism was a knee-jerk reaction to the real source of

If you don't agree with the evidence, you don't agree with it.
I suppose that is true. But do you understand why I don't agree with it? It isn't even relevent. What you have provided is a non-sequitur.

U: Why is the sky blue?
C: Blueberries are also blue.
U: That isn't relevent.
C: If you don't agree with the evidence, you don't agree with it.

How is that evidence?

Yes, seriously. What changed in the meantime? But, hey, if you reject this evidence, how about this quote from Jefferson?

You think Jefferson was not speaking of God here?
Double standard. (eta: meaning you have committed a double standard argument, which is a logical fallacy.)

When I referenced Jefferson's words before on the matter of seperation of church and state, you rejected them because he wasn't the only writer of the DoI. Now, you expect me to accept his words alone when it suits your purposes.

Look, when you come up with something more than a paper-thin, fallacy-riddled, ad hoc rationalization for something that you have already decided must be true, let me know.
 
How so? I point to the fact that knowing more languages puts you at an advantage when it comes to understanding texts written in those languages.

Knowing more languages is uncivil?

I went back and looked at the post in its original context and I have to admit that I laughed. It was actually kind of a funny joke to see your source posted in Danish. (Pretty sure it was Danish anyway...) Then you refused to translate because...well I'm not really sure why.

You know as well as I do that when adults want to convince each other of their POV, that they have to use a common language. I, for example, would not post my answers to you with an Enigma machine and then use your lack of understanding to declare victory. The "Nyah Nyah, I know a language you don't know" stance is something I might expect of a 3 year old.

You have enough energy to post nearly 20,000 times on this forum and to keep clubbing Seabiscuit, but you can't find the time to translate 100 words? You are coming across as smug and condescending.
 
I went back and looked at the post in its original context and I have to admit that I laughed. It was actually kind of a funny joke to see your source posted in Danish. (Pretty sure it was Danish anyway...) Then you refused to translate because...well I'm not really sure why.

You know as well as I do that when adults want to convince each other of their POV, that they have to use a common language. I, for example, would not post my answers to you with an Enigma machine and then use your lack of understanding to declare victory. The "Nyah Nyah, I know a language you don't know" stance is something I might expect of a 3 year old.

You have enough energy to post nearly 20,000 times on this forum and to keep clubbing Seabiscuit, but you can't find the time to translate 100 words? You are coming across as smug and condescending.

Where did I refuse to translate? Is that why you call me incivil?
 
We are. Are we clear on what my point is about why faith based initiatives have not yet been found to be unconstitutional? (You know, the actual point of contention?)

We are. However, that wasn't my contention. My contention was that Bush, as the first action, implemented faith based initiatives, thereby destroying the barrier between church and state.

Yes, Claus, it was. Try re-reading my argument on this. McCarthyism was a knee-jerk reaction to the real source of

...what?

Hey, if you and your family think that McCarthy had the longest impact on American culture and not religion, fine. That doesn't make it so.

I suppose that is true. But do you understand why I don't agree with it? It isn't even relevent. What you have provided is a non-sequitur.

U: Why is the sky blue?
C: Blueberries are also blue.
U: That isn't relevent.
C: If you don't agree with the evidence, you don't agree with it.

How is that evidence?

I don't agree that your analogy is similar.

Double standard. (eta: meaning you have committed a double standard argument, which is a logical fallacy.)

When I referenced Jefferson's words before on the matter of seperation of church and state, you rejected them because he wasn't the only writer of the DoI. Now, you expect me to accept his words alone when it suits your purposes.

Look, when you come up with something more than a paper-thin, fallacy-riddled, ad hoc rationalization for something that you have already decided must be true, let me know.

Look, when you are prepared to accept that when Jefferson speaks of God as well as Creator, both in the supernatural sense, let me know.

Otherwise, it serves no purpose to continue. I've presented ample evidence of my points. If you don't want to accept the evidence, there's nothing I can do.
 
We are. However, that wasn't my contention. My contention was that Bush, as the first action, implemented faith based initiatives, thereby destroying the barrier between church and state.

You realize this was a slick repackaging of a Clinton era program called Charitable Choice right? Bush polished it up and renamed it to appease the religious voters who supported him.
 

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