Passenger killed by air marshall

[Upchurch]

Okay, "creator" can be non-supernatural.

And I disagree. While I have provided evidence, what have you provided? Your opinion.

I have created the nomination and link buttons at the bottom of this (and most) posts. I conceived of their form. I wrote the scripts that defined their being. I tested them. I implemented them. I bought them into being. I am their "creator".

Would you argue that I, Upchurch: Creator of Buttons, am supernatural merely because the label "creator" can be applied to me? If so, then I'm appling for the challenge because unlike some supernatural creators I've heard of, I've put my name and a date on my creations.

If not, then BEHOLD! Evidence of a non-supernatural creator: me!

Likewise, the forces of nature could be a "creator". Not an intelligent one, not one you could have a conversation with, but a "creator" non-the-less.


now Upchurch the Creator will return to being supernaturally sick...

 

[Ed]

I'm wondering how many of those people had to sit next to Claus on a train at some point.

Unfortunately, most of them are Forum members..... ouch.

 

[CFLarsen]

Or the question of why people are dieing to leave...

Well, not exactly. Denmark has a population growth of 0.34%.

we won't get into alcoholism ...

Let's not get into (gun) violence...

All is not well in River City my friends.....

We don't have rivers at all.

 

[CFLarsen]

I have created the nomination and link buttons at the bottom of this (and most) posts. I conceived of their form. I wrote the scripts that defined their being. I tested them. I implemented them. I bought them into being. I am their "creator".

Would you argue that I, Upchurch: Creator of Buttons, am supernatural merely because the label "creator" can be applied to me? If so, then I'm appling for the challenge because unlike some supernatural creators I've heard of, I've put my name and a date on my creations.

If not, then BEHOLD! Evidence of a non-supernatural creator: me!

Likewise, the forces of nature could be a "creator". Not an intelligent one, not one you could have a conversation with, but a "creator" non-the-less.


now Upchurch the Creator will return to being supernaturally sick...

Again, note the capital "C".

What do you think of the text/links I provided?

 

[Jocko]

Again, note the capital "C".

What do you think of the text/links I provided?

Claus, what do you have to say about the human rights abuses I documented? Since you want to talk about rights and their origin, I think inclusion of your own culture is appropriate, particularly when your government tells you exactly who God is and you're trying to tell ME who God is.

Why are you ignoring this?

 

[CFLarsen]

Claus, what do you have to say about the human rights abuses I documented? Since you want to talk about rights and their origin, I think inclusion of your own culture is appropriate, particularly when your government tells you exactly who God is and you're trying to tell ME who God is.

Why are you ignoring this?

I'm not ignoring it. I've redirected you to the thread where it is discussed.

 

[Jocko]

I'm not ignoring it. I've redirected you to the thread where it is discussed.

And I have reminded you that you did not address it, which is why it keeps coming up.

Tell me, in a sentence or two (I KNOW you have the time), why don't you address any of the gross inequities that exist in the Danish system?

 

[Grammatron]

Again, note the capital "C".

What do you think of the text/links I provided?

Also note capital "M" in "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

Rather plainly stated that People define what powers Government has over them.

 

[Upchurch]

Again, note the capital "C".

Oh, for Ed's sake. Say it with me: rhe-tor-icle.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Is the point of CFL's posts simply nationalism for his own country? I can understand that, but it seems insecure to me for someone to have to try and tear down other countries and cultures just to be proud of their own.

I have no idea what Denmark is like, but I don't care. I still like living in the USA, even with all of it's faults.

 

[CFLarsen]

Is the point of CFL's posts simply nationalism for his own country? I can understand that, but it seems insecure to me for someone to have to try and tear down other countries and cultures just to be proud of their own.

Here's a mirror.

 

[Jocko]

Is the point of CFL's posts simply nationalism for his own country? I can understand that, but it seems insecure to me for someone to have to try and tear down other countries and cultures just to be proud of their own.

I have no idea what Denmark is like, but I don't care. I still like living in the USA, even with all of it's faults.

Funny how Claus can disavow his obvious petty envy on one hand, and almost simultaneously launch into a new cheap shot like this.

 

[Freakshow]

Funny how Claus can disavow his obvious petty envy on one hand, and almost simultaneously launch into a new cheap shot like this.

Jocko, you misspelled it. Its p-e-n-i-s, not p-e-t-t-y. I don't know how you got that one so wrong.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Here's a mirror.

Thanks, but I didn't need one to see that I DON'T bash other countries to make myself feel good about the one I live in.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Funny how Claus can disavow his obvious petty envy on one hand, and almost simultaneously launch into a new cheap shot like this.

Well, I wonder how he'd feel about the USA, even if we didn't have a moron for a president.

 

[Mycroft]

It's not much of an independence, is it? Despite the "all men are created equal" part.

It's outside the scope of our conversation and thus irrelevant.

Tell me, did the Declaration of Independence declare colonial atheists independent of England or not?

No.

Then we should be able to agree it's nothing more than a diversion and is irrelevant.

And I disagree. While I have provided evidence, what have you provided? Your opinion.

What evidence? That there were people in the Colonies that had various religious beliefs? Not only was that never in dispute, but unless you can demonstrate that doubt on the existence of God was unknown in the Colonies at that time, it actually works against your case.

 

[CFLarsen]

It's outside the scope of our conversation and thus irrelevant.

No, it's highly relevant. Who gets independence and who doesn't? "All men are equal", but some are more equal than others.

Tell me, did the Declaration of Independence declare colonial atheists independent of England or not?

Already answered:

Are you claiming that because slaves remainted slaves that atheists were still subjects of England?

No.

There's not much point in asking me questions if you can't be bothered to read my answers.

Then we should be able to agree it's nothing more than a diversion and is irrelevant.

No, we don't agree.

What evidence? That there were people in the Colonies that had various religious beliefs? Not only was that never in dispute, but unless you can demonstrate that doubt on the existence of God was unknown in the Colonies at that time, it actually works against your case.

No, no, no. The issue is not whether people in the Colonies had various religious beliefs but that the budding nation was a haven for religious people of all kinds:

The 13 colonies were settled for a myriad of reasons over a period of roughly 150 years. The two main motivations that encouraged the chartering of each colony—religious freedom/autonomy or economic interest—affected who settled in each colony and what type of society they created, from economic structure to religious affiliation to social structure.
Source

Religious diversity had become a dominant part of colonial life. The colonies were a patchwork of religiously diverse communities and, as a result, the population of America increased quickly. People from all over the world wanted the freedom that was found in America and they began to move their homelands to America. Groups such as the Scotch-Irish were among the first to begin that emigration to America. As a result, religious persecution was beginning to diminish and religious freedom began to replace it.

Religion also became a dominant part of American politics. The Cambridge Platform was established in the 1640's. This document was a part of the Puritan theology and adopted the Westminister Confession. Then, in 1649, the Act Concerning Religion was enacted. This act has even been considered one of the greatest additions to the freedom of religion in America. Later political documents included the Massachusetts Proposals and the Adopting Act of 1729. The Bill of Rights added to religious freedom with the First Amendment.
Source

Americans have been swept up in many waves of religious excitement. One that occurred in the 1740s, called the Great Awakening, united several Protestant denominations in an effort to overcome a sense of complacency that had afflicted organized religion.
Source

Religion is one of the major reasons for the formation of the United States.

Again, I provide evidence. Where's yours?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Religion is one of the major reasons for the formation of the United States

You haven't provided evidence of this. You've only demonstrated that many people in the colonies were religious and wanted relgious freedom.

 

[CFLarsen]

You haven't provided evidence of this. You've only demonstrated that many people in the colonies were religious and wanted relgious freedom.

Learn your own history.

 

[WildCat]

Learn your own history.

It's a good thing ignorant Danes aren't in charge of teaching US history, that's for sure!

Is every parent "supernatural"? After all, they created their child(ren), right?

Claus, your petty intransigence on this issue is most revealing, you might try to remember the first rule of holes....