Party of NO (R) Hates the Troops

[XBoxWarrior]

Maybe one of these days, there will come some issue so divisive, and yet so important, that the faction threatening a filibuster will be required to make good, but it looks like the Senate has far less taste for that kind of extreme spectacle than some voters. Good on them, I say.

You mean like the military budget?

 

[theprestige]

You mean like the military budget?

I'm pretty sure the military budget will manage to soldier on (so to speak), one way or another, with or without this bill.

But tell me, how did your Senator respond, when you made the case to him or her, that this particular bill was so important that it was worth forcing a filibuster to get it passed?

Or let me guess: It's never actually occurred to you that this bill, nor any other bill, might be so important to you as to be worth the time and effort necessary to influence its passage, am I right? You've put forth none of the work necessary to become either a wealthy businessman, or a prominent activist, or a skilled lobbyist. Nor have you contributed substantially to the political influence of any such person. Nor, in all likelihood, have you made any real effort to acquire any substance worth contributing.

Instead, this bill is so important to you, that you... post on the Internet about it. Maybe I should email my own Senator, and ask her if Internet opinions are worth filibustering over.

 

[XBoxWarrior]

Or let me guess: It's never actually occurred to you that this bill, nor any other bill, might be so important to you as to be worth the time and effort necessary to influence its passage, am I right? You've put forth none of the work necessary to become either a wealthy businessman, or a prominent activist, or a skilled lobbyist. Nor have you contributed substantially to the political influence of any such person. Nor, in all likelihood, have you made any real effort to acquire any substance worth contributing.

You put some time into that personal attack. 4/10 for effort! (time) 0/10 for accuracy. ~

You fail @ the MDC.

How the hell you think I have so much time to post on the internet if I wasn't a successful business man? jeez

 

[XBoxWarrior]

But tell me, how did your Senator respond, when you made the case to him or her, that this particular bill was so important that it was worth forcing a filibuster to get it passed?

My senator right now is wearing a diaper, paying a hooker for gawd knows what, and hates teh gheys in those fabulous uniforms.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

They wont be illegal if they get amnesty now will they

No, and that would be the reward: amnesty. You can't really be granted amnesty when you didn't break any law.

I recall a certain actor turned president who was pro-amnesty. Surely the R's wouldn't think their patron saint was wrong, would they?

What was his name?

Reagan. And he was wrong on that point. But you can't really fault him, since part of the deal for granting amnesty was a more secure border. One half of the deal materialized; the other half is still lacking.

 

[sarge]

Would you kindly take the time to look through the political thread titles? I'm sure you'll find a few that are somewhat partisan in nature

Or I could simply ask the question, here in the first thread that I responded to with hyperbolic title. That seemed to be the easiest path, so I chose it.

If you would like to discuss forum policy, I believe there is a place to do just that.

I wasn't asking about forum policy, I was asking about forum norms. I'm new here, and would like to assimilate.

So far, I've learned that some posters are able to present a logical argument that I may or may not agree with, and others are either unable or unwilling to do so. That's not a criticism, just an observation.

 

[theprestige]

You put some time into that personal attack. 4/10 for effort! (time) 0/10 for accuracy. ~

You fail @ the MDC.

How the hell you think I have so much time to post on the internet if I wasn't a successful business man? jeez

My senator right now is wearing a diaper, paying a hooker for gawd knows what, and hates teh gheys in those fabulous uniforms.

So... not actually a very important bill, then?

 

[leftysergeant]

You've put forth none of the work necessary to become either a wealthy businessman, or a prominent activist, or a skilled lobbyist. Nor have you contributed substantially to the political influence of any such person. Nor, in all likelihood, have you made any real effort to acquire any substance worth contributing.

The way I read that is:
"You aint jumped on the gravy train that is our predatory capitalism, so you aint worth my time. If you can't run with the big dogs stay under the porch."

How totally Republican and elitist.

 

[theprestige]

The way I read that is:
"You aint jumped on the gravy train that is our predatory capitalism, so you aint worth my time. If you can't run with the big dogs stay under the porch."

How totally Republican and elitist.

And as usual, you misread. What I want to know is, if you think this bill is so important, why don't you act like it?

 

[thaiboxerken]

They do not hate the troops. Just the gay ones.

 

[XBoxWarrior]

They do not hate the troops. Just the gay ones.

Let's remember who sent the troops into that sandbox in the middle east...4739 dead in Iraq, 2102 dead in Afghanistan. Remember Poland?

This doesn't even mention the troops that will spend the rest of their lives missing important parts like limbs, eyes, and brains...

I wonder how many of the dead had caught teh ghey before they met their maker.

http://icasualties.org/

Yes, the Party of NO (R) loves our troops in a flag draped coffin, as long as they chose a cross for their grave marker, and don't play ball on their own team.

 

[leftysergeant]

And as usual, you misread. What I want to know is, if you think this bill is so important, why don't you act like it?

Have you noticed that we are in here decrying the whackadoodles who blocked the bill because it did not contain their poison pills?

And I don't have to write to my congress critters. Cantwell, Murray and Norm Dicks always seem to come down exactly as I think they should on military issues.

 

[theprestige]

Have you noticed that we are in here decrying the whackadoodles who blocked the bill because it did not contain their poison pills?

And how's that working out for you?

Also, do you think the bill is actually all that important, or not? I mean, it's a defense budget matter, so I guess the entire military-industrial complex will collapse and leave the nation unprotected, all for want of an actual filibuster challenge, am I right?

 

[leftysergeant]

I surely do not want to be the Repulican who has to go home and tell people that the reason there is no Pentagon budget is that he didn't want gays to serve.

 

[Sgt Doom]

I always find it so bizarre how some people in America believe that allowing gays to openly serve in the military will lead to some sort of epidemic of mansex. The majority of NATO members allow gays to openly serve, and thus far no problems have materialised because of it.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

So we're just going to go ahead and ignore the DREAM Act amendment that would have granted amnesty to a lot of illegal aliens as a reason to vote against the bill so we can ride the Republicans for hating the gay?

I see, then.

 

[Sgt Doom]

So we're just going to go ahead and ignore the DREAM Act amendment that would have granted amnesty to a lot of illegal aliens as a reason to vote against the bill so we can ride the Republicans for hating the gay?

I see, then.

If they're willing to fight and die for your nation, why on earth should they not be given citizenship?

 

[Grizzly Adams]

If they're willing to fight and die for your nation, why on earth should they not be given citizenship?

The DREAM Act doesn't require any such thing. Please do inform yourself about the issues before displaying your ignorance for the world to see.

 

[Sgt Doom]

The DREAM Act doesn't require any such thing. Please do inform yourself about the issues before displaying your ignorance for the world to see.

According to the 2009 version of the senate bill, DREAM Act beneficiaries must:

• Have proof of having arrived in the United States before age 16.
• Have proof of residence in the United States for a least five consecutive years since their date of arrival, compliance with Selective Service.
• Be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of bill enactment.
• Have graduated from an American high school or obtained a GED.
• Be of "good moral character"

During the first six years, the immigrant would be granted "conditional" status, and would be required to graduate from a two-year community college or complete at least two years towards a 4-year degree, or serve two years in the U.S. military. After the six year period, an immigrant who met at least one of these three conditions would be eligible to apply for legal permanent resident status. During this six year conditional period, immigrants would not be eligible for federal higher education grants such as Pell grants, but they would be able to apply for student loans and work study.

If the immigrant did not meet the educational or military service requirement within the six year time period, their temporary residence would be revoked and they would be removable. They also must not commit any crimes other than those considered non-drug related misdemeanors, regardless of whether or not they have already been approved for permanent status at the end of their six years. Being convicted of a major crime, or drug-related infraction would automatically remove the six year temporary residence status and they would be subject to deportation.
If the immigrant met all of the conditions at the end of the 6-year conditional period, they would be granted permanent residency, which would eventually allow them to become U.S. citizens.

Admittedly I missed the option to take higher education, however i'm still not seeing the problem there.

 

[leftysergeant]

Either way, we are stronger. We get motivated soldiers and a skilled workforce who do not have a reason to work for pennies on the dollar.