Parents incrementally losing rights

The Don said:
In the UK, someone filling the roles marked with an asterisk would require a Criminal Records Bureau check

The boy scouts and girl guides have a terrible history of attracting paedophiles and as for the church ?
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You're not allowed to watch your kids at little league practice? You can't go to games? Etc.

The second paragraph makes no sense to me. If the priest is potentially a pedophile, surely the proper thing to do is to be with your kids, not prohibited from being from them. Same with the scouts.

Around here parents volunteer with the scouts, to, you know, supervise. Same with school dances, little league, playgrounds, etc. I'm pretty damn sure no one is abducting my kid while I'm there. I'm very uncertain about that if I am not there.
 
Last of the Fraggles said:
Not to mention that the reason all these daft rules are in place in the first place is because 'newspapers' such as the Daily Mail would be demanding everyone from the daycare centre cleaner right up to the prime minister was hung drawn and quartered if some dirty old man as much as looked at a kid in the centre the wrong way.
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The newspapers are reporting the opinions of the parents affected by the new rules. Why is that bad?
 
roger said:
Around here parents volunteer with the scouts, to, you know, supervise. Same with school dances, little league, playgrounds, etc. I'm pretty damn sure no one is abducting my kid while I'm there. I'm very uncertain about that if I am not there.
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...and that's how paedophiles start to groom their victims, hang around with the other parents.....

There are two alternatives, allow this to take place and accept that there will be paedophile abuse in a tiny minority of cases or CYA and insist on a check for everyone involved.

The climate in the UK following "Baby P" has meant that council feels it must take the second option (the alternative is the vilification to which they will inevitably be subjected if the worst happens)
 
roger said:
You're not allowed to watch your kids at little league practice? You can't go to games? Etc.

The second paragraph makes no sense to me. If the priest is potentially a pedophile, surely the proper thing to do is to be with your kids, not prohibited from being from them. Same with the scouts.

Around here parents volunteer with the scouts, to, you know, supervise. Same with school dances, little league, playgrounds, etc. I'm pretty damn sure no one is abducting my kid while I'm there. I'm very uncertain about that if I am not there.
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Ah, but in Colorado you can do something with something to stop the molester. In Merrie-Olde, you can't have anything weapon-like:eek:, but the paedo can be carrying anything he feels like so you try to go stop him and he lays his little cosh alongside your loaf:eye-poppi and foots it with the kid.:jaw-dropp
 
This is a 'day care' situation, so many states would require a background check, and yes if you want hang out in your child's school room all day, then you have to pass the check. All volunteers do, now PTA events are different, they are liable, not the school. (In Illinois, but it is patch work, my distrcit does, some don't)
 
roger said:
So I assume it is also fine to remove parents from the following:


  • little league
  • schools
  • swim meets
  • gymnasium practice and meets
  • girl scouts
  • boy scouts
  • church events
  • city parks
  • NFS ranger hikes and events
  • etc
It's madness.
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Well...again, I don't have children, but we still like to go watch little league games, and I must say that I've seen parents removed before. I've seen other parents that should have been removed. Parents can act quite ridiculous at little league games. The kids would probably have more fun if they weren't there. I get very upset when I hear parents yelling at their children and calling them names if they strike out or miss a catch or blow a pitch. It's pathetic.
 
sugarb said:
Well...again, I don't have children, but we still like to go watch little league games, and I must say that I've seen parents removed before. I've seen other parents that should have been removed. Parents can act quite ridiculous at little league games. The kids would probably have more fun if they weren't there. I get very upset when I hear parents yelling at their children and calling them names if they strike out or miss a catch or blow a pitch. It's pathetic.
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The criminal record checks have nothing to do with watching your children at school sports events etc. You have to have one if you work with the children ie. coach , drive the bus etc, basically if they are in your care.
 
fagin said:
The criminal record checks have nothing to do with watching your children at school sports events etc. You have to have one if you work with the children ie. coach , drive the bus etc, basically if they are in your care.
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Well of course, but the thing is, anything you enroll your child in or allow your child to participate in carries expectations of both child and parent, so I see no reason to be complaining if you put your child in a safe environment and those controlling the environment take measures to make it safe.

That's why I mentioned seeing parents removed from little league games for obnoxious or abusive behavior. Just because their child is on the field, they don't have special rights to spoil the environment for everyone else.
 
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