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i want to know if someone receive this words ( pranormal-cat-dog-ability-love-money-challenge-men-women-help)
 
abr said:
i want to know if someone receive this words ( pranormal-cat-dog-ability-love-money-challenge-men-women-help)
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Some of those words violate Jackalgirl's protocol.
"Protocol:
1. abr sends ten words to a trusted agent via PM. These words will be in English and will not involve similar concepts (e.g., "truck" and "car" are too similar)".
"Pranormal" is not English, dog and cat {common pets) and man and woman (humans) are too similar.
 
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Jeff Corey said:
Some of those words violate Jackalgirl's protocol.
"Protocol:
1. abr sends ten words to a trusted agent via PM. These words will be in English and will not involve similar concepts (e.g., "truck" and "car" are too similar)".
"Pranormal" is not English, dog and cat {common pets) and man and woman (humans) are too similar.
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I was willing to accept those words, on the proviso that abr understood that the received words were those exact words, and that abr agreed that, say, "woman" was not the same as "women", "man" not the same as "men", "girls" not the same as "women", etc. However, instead of discussing the list via PM until we were in agreement and then letting me post the hash, and in absolute defiance of my specific instructions not to post the words, abr posted the words.

It's quite apparent that abr did not understand the protocol, or was unwilling to follow it. I do not know if this is because abr's command of English is minimal, or if abr is perhaps functionally illiterate, or if there otherwise is a problem with abr's intellectual ability to understand and follow instructions (or if abr never intended to actually conform to any kind of actual blinded test).

Obviously, a protocol is worthless if the participant is unwilling to, or cannot, actually carry out the protocol. So I bow out of being moderator.

abr, if you want me to be a moderator of a test, you will have to demonstrate that you have the capacity to follow instructions.
 
i'm tired with this test, visionfromfeeling you confirm that you receive the ten words but in bad english so you know that we can win the mdc,after we can do turns of magic if you want, i have much turns.
i want to know where i can pass the test of mdc
 
abr, if a simple test such as jackagirl posted tires you out and you are unwilling to follow the basic instructions (such as don't post the wordlist), you will have a very difficult time working with the JREF to develop, and stick with, an acceptable protocol for the MDC.

If you don't want to work with the folks in this forum to develop an acceptable protocol since it tires you out, even though they are well aware what constitutes such a protocol, perhaps you should go ahead and send in your notarized application and spend your time dealing with them directly. You may be less likely to 'tire out.'

Clarissa
 
abr said:
i'm tired with this test, visionfromfeeling you confirm that you receive the ten words but in bad english so you know that we can win the mdc,after we can do turns of magic if you want, i have much turns.
i want to know where i can pass the test of mdc
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Oh dear...
abr, do you have a friend who speaks good English who can help you with reading and writing here? Trust me, if you want to have any chance of winning the prize you have to get help with communication.

I DO NOT DO MAGIC!

Also I still suggest that you find a friend who lives close to you and you try telepathy with him. And if you are successful with that, contact someone local to you such as a university or the media and offer a demonstration. And if they are impressed they speak English and can contact JREF for you. I need confirmation from Jackalgirl that the procedure has been set up before I can participate.
 
The lesson to be learned from this thread is keep it simple. Nothing can be proved from this experiment and yet, people are very keen to rush into 6 sentences, 10 words yadda yadda.
 
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this is a protocol jackalgirl send me ten words by pm
i transmit it by telepathy to a volunteer visionfromfeeling or eirik
the receiver write the ten words on the forum and after this we wait for the confirmation of jackalgirl, i think that is the easy protocol
 
abr said:
this is a protocol jackalgirl send me ten words by pm
i transmit it by telepathy to a volunteer visionfromfeeling or eirik
the receiver write the ten words on the forum and after this we wait for the confirmation of jackalgirl, i think that is the easy protocol
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It is no more or less easy than the one you were supposed to be using in the first place. The only difference between the two is who originally comes up with the list of words. Since you were either unable or unwilling to do it properly the first time, why should anyone bother to help you now? Especially considering that it's taken a month just to get to this stage.
 
abr said:
this is a protocol jackalgirl send me ten words by pm
i transmit it by telepathy to a volunteer visionfromfeeling or eirik
the receiver write the ten words on the forum and after this we wait for the confirmation of jackalgirl, i think that is the easy protocol
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Negative. I will not participate in this. I'm not interested in easy protocols. I'm interested in controlled protocols (at least, as best as we can do in a relatively uncontrolled venue as the Internet). In other words, if you want my participation, you'll need to accept my protocol, or write a better one. And by "better" I do not mean "easier". I mean "more controlled".

To recap, my protocol is this:

1) You send me ten words via PM. We discuss them, via PM, until you and I both agree that we have a good set of ten words. No mention is made of the the words in public postings, or via PM to anyone else.

3) When we agree, I post a hash of the ten words to this thread. I show you how to generate a hash so that you can do it, too. That way, you can confirm that my hash is correct (in other words, that I am not cheating you by changing the ten words in my copy of the list).

4) You pick a subject (a SINGLE SUBJECT, either VFF or Eirik). You post the time/date (in GMT) at which you intend to send the ten words to that subject.

5) Your target (ONE OF THEM, NOT BOTH) responds that he or she is ready to receive (in other words, if you specify a time when, say, your target will be asleep, he or she can tell you so, and you can revise your sending time).

6) AFTER you and the target are in agreement as to the date/time, you send the ten words psychically to the target at the date/time.

7) The target posts the ten words he/she received.

8) AFTER the target posts the ten received words, I post the list you and I agreed upon. Seven out of ten words in the list must match EXACTLY. For example, if one of the words is "dog" and the target receives "dogs", that is a MISS. If one of the words is "men" and the target receives "man" or "boy", that's a MISS. Spelling must be exact. If you send "bare" and the target receives "bear", that's a MISS. If seven or more of the words received match the original list, the test is a success. If six or fewer words received match the original list, the test is a failure.

You must agree to this process in order for me to participate. If you do not want to do the test according to these steps, you will need to find someone else.

Edited to add: You must also agree that if you send the ten words to anyone in any means OTHER than psychic means -- if you send any PM communication to the target, for example, that hints at the words or outright contains the words -- that this is cheating and it renders the whole test a failure. I'm sorry I had to add this -- I would think that it's obvious -- but it's important and needs to be said.
 
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i send only 5 words for this experiment to jackalgirl, i'm waiting for her answer
 
abr.

Read my post.

I will not participate until you agree to follow the steps of my protocol, or propose something better. Not easier, but better (better controlled).

Don't send me words until you agree to my protocol. If you don't agree to my protocol and want to do something "easier", find someone else to act as your moderator.

Edited to add: due to Internet connectivity problems, I can only log on from work. This means I will not be on again for some 16 hours.

Edited to add (x2): my brilliant husband cobbled up a workaround to our at-home internet problems. Yay, husband! : )
 
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It's very difficult to even remember 10 unrelated words, never mind send them 100's of miles telepathically. I would prefer a sentence that is unusual,amusing,nonsense but still simple. Such as: "The fish rode his bike to school in the rain" This would be much easier for the receiver.
 
ferj said:
It's very difficult to even remember 10 unrelated words, never mind send them 100's of miles telepathically. I would prefer a sentence that is unusual,amusing,nonsense but still simple. Such as: "The fish rode his bike to school in the rain" This would be much easier for the receiver.
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One reason that it would be easier for the receiver is that the words I've highlighted (½ of them) above can be inferred, or guessed if you like, from their position in the sentence.

Random words are at least a step in the right direction, and there seems no need to remember the words, which can be written down as they are received, so this shouldn't be an issue.
 
ferj said:
It's very difficult to even remember 10 unrelated words, never mind send them 100's of miles telepathically.
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Why would anyone need to remember them? Everyone who needs to know them will have them written on a sceen in front of them.
 
Akhenaten said:
One reason that it would be easier for the receiver is that the words I've highlighted (½ of them) above can be inferred, or guessed if you like, from their position in the sentence.

Random words are at least a step in the right direction, and there seems no need to remember the words, which can be written down as they are received, so this shouldn't be an issue.
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Yes, but if you took the five words out it would not be a sentence. Unrelated words would suit sceptics and protocols but not telepaths and proving telepathy. Which is more important? Pernickety protocols or proving telepathy?
 
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