Paranormal detection

[reason1]

You have no way to tell if someone was really staring at you while your back is turned - your back is turned, after all.

what did you mean mod. chillzero ?

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Well...Before i continue i want to thank all the forum members who are objectively and kindly helping unlike some other envious, rude, unthoughtful, son of a bitch that doesn't deserve the effort to respond to.

You will likely receive a warning for this remark.

Also i want to ask a question, have any MDC claimant been harassed the way I'm being harassed ?!. I'd appreciate it if someone answers.

Please show where you have been harassed and by whom.

I shall continue my case:
As i said before, this is overwhelming for me and it will take me sometime to respond to some posts. also some questions have a higher priority to respond to than others.
I'm not skipping/ignoring any posts and accusing me of that is just unfair!
i will respond....just be patient ok ?

The questions you still have not answered would take probably about the same amount of time it took you to write this post - except for the part about confirmation bias. At this point, you're not exactly winning me over with your discussion tactics, reason1.

regarding me cheating at the test:
although i choose the date and maybe the kind of the place,i will not be aware of the actual place and the time of the day that the test will be done.
I won't have any wireless communication mean or a mean to tell the exact time of the day.
So under these settings I'll will not be able to synchronize any sudden moves with anyone.
can anybody think of way that will make me cheat under these conditions?

Irrelevant, because you do not yet qualify for the MDC since you have not even applied.

Maybe i should do that as these explanations are actually off-topic !

Please explain why confirmation bias - if you meant that - bias is off-topic.

Alternatively: Explain what confirmation bias means.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Reason1, do you have someone you trust - a friend, a relative, a life partner - doing the "staring" the way you need it to detect it?

Furthermore, have you thought about how to get a media profile and an academic affidavit?

Have you performed one of the suggested simple self-tests?

 

[chillzero]

what did you mean mod. chillzero ?

Just chillzero will do.
I think it's rather self explanatory - you cannot visually confirm anything that happens behind your back.

 

[Pixel42]

Also i want to ask a question, have any MDC claimant been harassed the way I'm being harassed ?!. I'd appreciate it if someone answers.

The usual sequence of events is:

1. Claimant claims a paranormal ability and asks for help to design a suitable protocol that would be acceptable to JREF

2. Several regular posters give helpful advice

3. Claimant ignores advice, his claimed ability gets vaguer and vaguer, and his posts more and more irrelevant to the design of a suitable protocol

4. Posters who've tried to help are increasingly frustrated that claimant is making no attempt to understand, let alone answer, the points they are making or to produce a suitable protocol, and start to get impatient with him/her

5. Claimant falsely claims that he is being harassed

So I'd say your progress so far is typical.

ETA: Oops, forgot final step:

6. Claimant stops posting and is never heard from again

 

[reason1]

Just chillzero will do.
I think it's rather self explanatory - you cannot visually confirm anything that happens behind your back.

you are saying that my claim is not confirmation bias ?

 

[Belz...]

Paranormal detection

Oxymoron. You can't detect the paranormal, by definition.

Most woos can't get that right, though.

I have the ability to detect when someone stares at me even from behind.

No, you don't. Sorry about that.

When someone stares at me, I'll detect that and will look back exactly at the one who is staring.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply tell when you feel someone is looking at you ? It's simpler and reduces the chance of you reading whoever's there when you turn around.

 

[Belz...]

this was scary for me as a child,we had at home a picture of one of my uncles with his eyes wide open.where ever i go in the room he just kept staring at me.
later found why this happens ; the picture has only 2 dimensions

Yeah, I hated pictures of people when I was wee, too.

I also hated clowns. Those things are creepy.

 

[chillzero]

you are saying that my claim is not confirmation bias ?

I've already said that confirmation bias plays a large part here.
I'm also saying that you cannot visually confirm something you cannot actually see. What is so tough to understand there?

 

[reason1]

I've already said that confirmation bias plays a large part here.
I'm also saying that you cannot visually confirm something you cannot actually see. What is so tough to understand there?

ok sorry . I didn't sleep well !

 

[GzuzKryzt]

ok sorry .

Now that this is cleared up:

Reason1, do you have someone you trust - a friend, a relative, a life partner - doing the "staring" the way you need it to detect it?

Furthermore, have you thought about how to get a media profile and an academic affidavit?

Have you performed one of the suggested simple self-tests?

 

[reason1]

regarding me cheating at the test:
although i choose the date and maybe the kind of the place,i will not be aware of the actual place and the time of the day that the test will be done.
I won't have any wireless communication mean or a mean to tell the exact time of the day.
So under these settings I'll will not be able to synchronize any sudden moves with anyone.
can anybody think of way that will make me cheat under these conditions?

Irrelevant, because you do not yet qualify for the MDC since you have not even applied.

I was responding to the following 2 claims :

For example, you've pointed out that people could easily cheat -- which is the case with your protocol, too. How, for example, could the JREF determine that there weren't, say, 20 of your friends in the crowd, whom you'd instructed to walk in front of you (so you could track them) and then stare at you, and then execute the "guilty behavior" you've mentioned after you look at them?

There are huge holes that allow for cheating in your protocol.

Please explain why confirmation bias - if you meant that - bias is off-topic.

Alternatively: Explain what confirmation bias means.

yes i didn't mean confirmation bias is off-topic.
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to apply confirmation bias to my claim, I'd appreciated if someone could do that for me.
i know confirmation bias is when you count the hits and ignore the misses

Yeah, I hated pictures of people when I was wee, too.

I also hated clowns. Those things are creepy.

Hi Belz..., welcome to the topic, i hope you have a good time

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I was responding to the following 2 claims :

Ok, but you should focus on your application first. When your application is accepted - and there is a long way to go for that, which will be seen at the end of this post - you can bang out scenarios all you want.

yes i didn't mean confirmation bias is off-topic.
I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to apply confirmation bias to my claim, I'd appreciated if someone could do that for me.
i know confirmation bias is when you count the hits and ignore the misses
...

If you have understood what that means - among other things, that we can easily fool ourselves - then you will comprehend the need to impose proper controls on a test so that we do not fool ourselves when observing something.

Reason1, do you have someone you trust - a friend, a relative, a life partner - doing the "staring" the way you need it to detect it?

Furthermore, have you thought about how to get a media profile and an academic affidavit, both of which are indispensable for your application to be accepted?

Have you performed one of the suggested simple self-tests?

 

[reason1]

GzuzKryzt:
hi, i like you man...but you are very demanding and sometimes hard to please.you accuse me of skipping posts and when i do respond you say it's irrelevant.
you maybe didn't notice that i have answered some of your questions (maybe indirectly).
Because my claim is new to this forum, there maybe still some confusion and that's why I'm preparing a long post that may took some time.I'll restate my claim and what we have reached so far.
also maybe I'll respond to some posts before this long one,please please don't ask the same questions again...you are making me look bad, like I'm dodging the questions !
just be patient ok ?
no offense ok ?

regarding media profile and an academic affidavit:
yes I'm contacting magazines and academics

5. Claimant falsely claims that he is being harassed

... man...there are not only harassments but gang harassments in this page and the previous one

i was shocked as the banner says "Paranormal in a friendly and lively way"

 

[GzuzKryzt]

GzuzKryzt:
hi, i like you man...but you are very demanding and sometimes hard to please.you accuse me of skipping posts and when i do respond you say it's irrelevant.
you maybe didn't notice that i have answered some of your questions (maybe indirectly).
Because my claim is new to this forum, there maybe still some confusion and that's why I'm preparing a long post that may took some time.I'll restate my claim and what we have reached so far.
also maybe I'll respond to some posts before this long one,please please don't ask the same questions again...you are making me look bad, like I'm dodging the questions !
just be patient ok ?
no offense ok ?

regarding media profile and an academic affidavit:
yes I'm contacting magazines and academics

I ask simple questions. These questions are designed to help you on your way to your application being accepted. Anything else is secondary at best. And I have no interest in banter or small talk.

"Ve Germans must be efficient. Jawohl." Ok, that probably qualifies as banter.

Media profile and academic affidavit: Who exactly did you plan to contact and what would you tell them?

... man...there are not only harassments but gang harassments in this page and the previous one

i was shocked as the banner says "Paranormal in a friendly and lively way"

They way you have been engaged in this thread would very likely not qualify as harassment - and certainly not as gang harassments - to any court of law.

Was your threat to sue "...the million out of James Randi's pocket if he rejected my application for no good reason..." meant in a friendly and lively way?

 

[reason1]

You will likely receive a warning for this remark.

I'm sorry guys/girls for saying that, i was pissed off because of the unfair treatment and the harassment while this shouldn't happen in a forum that has the banner above !

Oxymoron. You can't detect the paranormal, by definition.

Most woos can't get that right, though.



No, you don't. Sorry about that.



Wouldn't it be easier to simply tell when you feel someone is looking at you ? It's simpler and reduces the chance of you reading whoever's there when you turn around.

i want to know first, did you read the whole topic before posting this ?

PS: I'm curious, did James Randi ever posted in this forum ?, does he read the topics sometime?.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

I'm sorry guys/girls for saying that, i was pissed of because of the unfair treatment and the harassment while this shouldn't happen in a forum that has the banner above !
...

Again: Where exactly have you been treated unfairly or been harassed?

 

[reason1]

Was your threat to sue "...the million out of James Randi's pocket if he rejected my application for no good reason " meant in a friendly and lively way?

man....this was a joke that i think James Randi himself wouldn't mind !

PS: I'm calmed down now ,i really don't want to talk about the harassment ,it's obvious.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

man....this was a joke that i think James Randi himself wouldn't mind !

I am almost 100% sure that Randi would disagree - and I think you are lying when you said it was meant as a joke.

PS: I'm calmed down now ,i really don't want to talk about the harassment ,it's obvious.

Where was that harassment and by whom?

If you do not think there was any harassment - and I do not believe that either - I think you state clearly that you were wrong when stating that you have been haraseed and treated unfairly.

 

[Kariboo]

I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to apply confirmation bias to my claim, I'd appreciated if someone could do that for me.
i know confirmation bias is when you count the hits and ignore the misses

I really shouldn't be doing your work for you. If you would have taken the time to read peoples questions and tried to answer them you would have found the answer to your question and how to set up an experiment that excludes confirmation bias.

The problem that you have with counting the hits is: if you suddenly turn around (or look up, whatever) people will be looking at you that weren't looking at you before. You have no way of telling when they started looking at you. You count this as a hit. when it isn't. You need to set up an experiment that does not include you making sudden moves since that will MAKE people look at you

The problem that you have with ignoring the misses: you don't count the times that people look at you but you don't notice it. You need to find out how often people DO look at you and you don't know.

The tests that people have asked you to do, are to exactly exclude these problems.