Paranormal Ability Was Demonstrated!

[Carn]

Carn:

Following is my draft application:
First step: I print the following quoted content on the front side of a paper:

Second step: I print the following quotated content on the back side of the paper:

Third step: I sign my signature under the notarized words. Chinese signature or English signature?

Forth step: I bring the paper to a local notary public and do notarization in Chinese or English? Maybe the notary public does not know English.

Fifth step: I mail the paper to James Randi in an envelope and some SSAE (stamped, self-addressed envelope ).

Please give comment about the procedures. Thank you!

The procedure is unimportant, though i think that's what to do, except for the most important part:

What will you claim to be able to do?

As you will have to negotiate with JREF a test protocol, you should know what you can achieve. This is due to the simple reason, that JREF will try to make test cheap, easy, fast and with obvious results.

E.g. if someone claimed he is able to heal anything quickly, then JREF might suggest that he tries to regrow someone's lost leg. Then his answer could be, no i only meant diseases, not physical injuries, then JREF would suggest, fine, what about someone has more cancer than lungs and is just living, because relatives could not yet decide to turn the machines off.
Then his answer could be, no, only people who are not already lying on their deathbed.
JREF answer might be then, what the hell exactly are you claiming to be able to do?

So you should have a fair idea about what you are able to do and what you are not able to do(and should have tried) and i do not think you know that yet.

Are you able to heal yourself?
Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up? That could be even a good thing for a DBPC.

At the end, I read the following quoted words:

I am afraid a little. I think it would be better to do more tests. what is your comment?

This has been added, because some applicants agreed to tests and were very confident they would pass. But they failed and its embarassing, if you boast with some ability and in the test, you fail to demonstrate any. This can be avoided, by personally trying a test oneself the way the JREF test would look like(simplified as far as needed). Most of those applicants that failed, could have made a simple test on their own and realized, that they would fail the test.

E.g. dowsers have applied, claiming they can find water. JREF suggested a test, where a number of painted or hidden bottles were presented to applicants and they should determine which ones had water in. The applicants were asked to say how big the chance is that they determine whether such a bottle has water in or not. Although few dowsers ever tried to dowse under such conditions, most agreed to score 90-100% of the times correct.

In the tests then they did not perform better than chance.
While this does only prove they cannot dowse for water in bottles, it shows that the applicants did not prepare in any way for the test, because a simpified test could have been done at home and they could have avoided the embarassment of totally failing.

Instead many then try to find mistakes in test protocol afterwards, which kept them from performing, and complain, which makes them even more fool, as they agreed to the protocol and they could have tested it beforehand.

Therefore try to specify as accurate as possible, what you are able to do, if you do not know what you can do, then you could fail even, if you have a paranormal ability.

You are correct. Just as an amusement.

My own homepage is http://hie.nease.net

Looks chinese to me.

I am not yet restored completely. But the pain has disappeared.

Shine Sun

Check, that the pain does not arise from a illness of your own body.

Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:
Thank you for your comment!

What will you claim to be able to do?

I will claim that I can heal chronic disease, especially for the diseases related to lumbar at a long distance. How long? anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance. Once the improvement was demonstrated by certificates of diagnossis, then I succeed, no need to be healed up completely. The point is the long distance, not the healing. The evidence is the certificate of diagnosis. I will do 10 times maximum, if no improvement, then I fail. I succeeded of healing several diseases,say 5 diseases of total 10 diseases, then I win the Prize.

Are you able to heal yourself?

not able for an old disease, able for a new disease.

Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up?

not able.

This can be avoided, by personally trying a test oneself the way the JREF test would look like(simplified as far as needed).

I think I need to do more tests. I drafted a letter as follows, please give comment.
"A letter to Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS

Dear the Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS:

A good news! Some chronic diseases related to lumbar were healed up by my paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing. How long? Anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance, and also no limit of time, anytime. You sleep in your home, I sit up in bed in my home and meditate your name about
0.5 hour. when you wake up, the disease was healed up by 1/2 maximum, and then I only need to rest for 2 weeks around. How wonderful! Incredible! But I have done the test for many times and issued 7 test reports. You can refer to them in homepage http://hie.nease.net.
I only need your authorization.
I am not sure that I can heal any disease, but some good effects may be expected, as the QiGong healing is "Body-Heal-Body", that is to say, I was healthy, then you will be healthy finally theoretically.
Please give a chance to me and yourself! I need the prize of JREF
paranormal challenge and you need health.
All are free of charge!
Sincerely!
Do not give up before failure!
Shine Sun"

Check, that the pain does not arise from a illness of your own body.

I am restored basically. I will do a test with you within these days. I remember that you wanted me to ask your spirit a question. What is the question? I want to do it if possible.

Though some more tests are necessary, may be still quickly, because some diseases can be healed up only by one time healing just like that of Nan. It wasted much time to guess the disease. No guess, directly heal, so at the same time, I will improve the draft application, please give comment when I finish it. Thank you again!

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:
Thank you for your comment!

I will claim that I can heal chronic disease, especially for the diseases related to lumbar at a long distance. How long? anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance. Once the improvement was demonstrated by certificates of diagnossis, then I succeed, no need to be healed up completely. The point is the long distance, not the healing. The evidence is the certificate of diagnosis. I will do 10 times maximum, if no improvement, then I fail. I succeeded of healing several diseases,say 5 diseases of total 10 diseases, then I win the Prize.

not able for an old disease, able for a new disease.

But this might still end up with comparing a small group of patients, where you try long distance qi with a group where you do not try. After all the only sign of succesful connection would be a change in health and that can only be measured with a control group.
Might change if you could give a time limit in which the improve has to happen and this time limit is less than a day or so(health normally does not change that quickly with certain chronic diseases).

I think I need to do more tests. I drafted a letter as follows, please give comment.
"A letter to Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS

Dear the Patients of Chronic Disease and Cancer and AIDS:

A good news! Some chronic diseases related to lumbar were healed up by my paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing. How long? Anywhere in the earth, no limit of distance, and also no limit of time, anytime. You sleep in your home, I sit up in bed in my home and meditate your name about
0.5 hour. when you wake up, the disease was healed up by 1/2 maximum, and then I only need to rest for 2 weeks around. How wonderful! Incredible! But I have done the test for many times and issued 7 test reports. You can refer to them in homepage http://hie.nease.net.
I only need your authorization.
I am not sure that I can heal any disease, but some good effects may be expected, as the QiGong healing is "Body-Heal-Body", that is to say, I was healthy, then you will be healthy finally theoretically.
Please give a chance to me and yourself! I need the prize of JREF
paranormal challenge and you need health.
All are free of charge!
Sincerely!
Do not give up before failure!
Shine Sun"

Do not give false hopes to ill people until you are sure you can do it!!!

Do you realy think it is already certain, that you can heal?
After all you had 2 "patients" so far, me and Nan and the health changes, that occured with me during the test, where at least for me not different from what happens normally to me and Nan could have been luck.

Please state clearly that you are still trying to find your way and can not promise anything definite, but think it might help, otherwise i think its dishonest.

And also in your description of the tests with me its missing, that there are still more tests to come and that might still change my judgement.

I am restored basically. I will do a test with you within these days. I remember that you wanted me to ask your spirit a question. What is the question? I want to do it if possible.

Shine Sun

Do not know what my spirit can tell you.
I used a dice to create a 4 digit number(ranging from 0 to 9), that i memorized so much it comes to my mind without thinking about it. I also written it down. That would be very convincing. What 4 digit number did the dice show me?

If numbers are bad, try to question my spirit, about when, where, if, how long my first love lasted, where, if he/she still lives, how/if she/he returned my love, name, how he/she looks/looked like,....
About that my spirit should know.

Also my family, relatives, their names how many, which dead, which alive is also ok.

Choose those of the above questions you feel best to handle.
Please accept, that i will give about personal questions only a judgement how correct you are and not exactly what was wrong, after all they are personal.

Carn

 

[NoZed Avenger]

But this might still end up with comparing a small group of patients, where you try long distance qi with a group where you do not try. After all the only sign of succesful connection would be a change in health and that can only be measured with a control group.

Might change if you could give a time limit in which the improve has to happen and this time limit is less than a day or so(health normally does not change that quickly with certain chronic diseases).

I think both of these limits are important. Choosing someone with chronic pain and then sending positive energy (or whatever the specific method entails) and waiting for days or weeks until someone notes a temporary improvement would prove nothing.

IMO, you need a control group where neither the real group nor the control group knows that they have/have not been selected and a definite improvement noted within a specific time frame -- that outdoes the control group by a statistically significant measure.

 

[Carn]

I think both of these limits are important. Choosing someone with chronic pain and then sending positive energy (or whatever the specific method entails) and waiting for days or weeks until someone notes a temporary improvement would prove nothing.

IMO, you need a control group where neither the real group nor the control group knows that they have/have not been selected and a definite improvement noted within a specific time frame -- that outdoes the control group by a statistically significant measure.

I meant the situation, where patients do not know when contact is made, just the month, where it is made and then can afterwards name the day or even better the time when contact was made, because on that day/time their health changed.
This might be done with some diseases without a control group, as its effectively only guessing which day Shine Sun does his thing and if that is just randomized, then it could work as well.

Carn

 

[NoZed Avenger]

I meant the situation, where patients do not know when contact is made, just the month, where it is made and then can afterwards name the day or even better the time when contact was made, because on that day/time their health changed.
This might be done with some diseases without a control group, as its effectively only guessing which day Shine Sun does his thing and if that is just randomized, then it could work as well.

Carn

That sounds workable, as well. I missed what you were saying, but it looks good at first blush.

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

What does Carn look like? Nan's description is as follows:
Tallness is about 170 to 180 cm; long and square style face, a bit thin; some whiskers; curved hair,dark color; deeper eyehole.

Is it correct?

A bad news, Nan forecasted that the possibility I win the Prize is not big. But I will not give up prior to failure, but the control of the cost became important.

But this might still end up with comparing a small group of patients, where you try long distance qi with a group where you do not try.

I do not want to do a comparision, because there will be a lot of works to do, and the cost may be very high. What is the chronic disease? The chronic disease means it can not be healed up by current medical methods. So I will select chronic disease. To avoid chance, I will try to heal several diseases.

Might change if you could give a time limit in which the improve has to happen and this time limit is less than a day or so(health normally does not change that quickly with certain chronic diseases).

Time limit, the shortest will be 2 weeks, if the improvement was got only by one time healing; the longest will be 20 weeks (5 months), if the improvement was got by 10 times healing.

Do not give false hopes to ill people until you are sure you can do it!!!

You are correct. Then I can only say it is possible to heal up the diseases related to lumbar by my QiGong, because Nan's lumbar pain was healed up by my QiGong. If JREF agreed on my protocol, I must spend much time to find only the patients who have the diseases related to lumbar. I hope to enlarge the range of disease category.

Do you realy think it is already certain, that you can heal?

Yes, I have healed up many other diseases, but by short distance QiGong. Only 2, by long distance QiGong.

Please state clearly that you are still trying to find your way and can not promise anything definite, but think it might help, otherwise i think its dishonest.

Yes, I did so, I said: "I am not sure that I can heal any disease, but some good effects may be expected, as the QiGong healing is "Body-Heal-Body", that is to say, I was healthy, then you will be healthy finally theoretically. "

Do not know what my spirit can tell you.

Only yes, or no.

I used a dice to create a 4 digit number(ranging from 0 to 9), that i memorized so much it comes to my mind without thinking about it. I also written it down. That would be very convincing. What 4 digit number did the dice show me?

unable at my present QiGong level.

If numbers are bad, try to question my spirit, about when, where, if, how long my first love lasted, where, if he/she still lives, how/if she/he returned my love, name, how he/she looks/looked like,....

I will try to ask "Does your first love still live?" As for "How does he/she looks/looked like?" I will request Nan to answer it.

Also my family, relatives, their names how many, which dead, which alive is also ok.

I think it may be easy for Nan. I think forecast is easy for past and now, but impossible for future. But the important is of future.

Please accept, that i will give about personal questions only a judgement how correct you are and not exactly what was wrong, after all they are personal.

Accepted.
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NoZed Avenger

temporary improvement would prove nothing

I agreed. The QiGong healing is not temporary, it is permanent in some way. Because the heat or the cold was removed from body.

I meant the situation, where patients do not know when contact is made, just the month, where it is made and then can afterwards name the day or even better the time when contact was made, because on that day/time their health changed.

Because JREF requires objective evidence, so I imagined that I heal a certain disease time by time, when the patient felt better, than I will request him/ her to do a medical examination, if the certificate of diagnosis prescribed by a famous hospital demonstrated the improvement, then I win the test. Is it easy?

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:

What does Carn look like? Nan's description is as follows:
Tallness is about 170 to 180 cm; long and square style face, a bit thin; some whiskers; curved hair,dark color; deeper eyehole.

Is it correct?

No.

About your homepage, sorry, if i was too harsh, i got the impression, that i'm quoted as a witness, that Qi Gong healing works and that was irritating, as from what i know so far, i could not say yes to that, but if you already healed others beside Nan, its a good sign.
Though there is always the nasty placebo effect, patient just gets better, because he thinks he received a good treatment.

Only yes, or no.

unable at my present QiGong level.

I will try to ask "Does your first love still live?" As for "How does he/she looks/looked like?" I will request Nan to answer it.

I think it may be easy for Nan. I think forecast is easy for past and now, but impossible for future. But the important is of future.

Accepted.


Shine Sun

If you can ask 16 yes/no questions, its ok.
Just ask "Is first digit greater than 4?". On a yes you know its 5-9 on no you know its 0-4.
Then ask "greater than 7/2".
On yes there are only 8-9/3-4 left and you ask "is it 9/4" and know it then.
On no you ask "is it 0/5?", on a no to that you ask "is it 1/6".

So with 4 yes/no questions you can determine whether what a single digit is, so its 16 for 4 digits.

If thats too complicated to keep track of while doing Qi Gong, just ask the first question about each digit, that would at least be interesting, as the random chance to correctly guess higher than 4 with 4 digits is 1 in 16.

If you are limited to one question, just ask whether the first digit is greater than 4.

This number asking is best, because from that a JREF test can be dessigned easily, would just take long if you are limited to 1 question per session.

And about looking Nan would need to specify, if he goes for what he/she looks now(pretty ugly if dead), what he/she looked last time i saw him/her alive or what he/she looked like, when i fell in love or when i first met him/her.

At first he could correctly guess, if its he or she, because that "/"-ing is nerving. Or did i give myself away already?

Carn

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Because JREF requires objective evidence, so I imagined that I heal a certain disease time by time, when the patient felt better, than I will request him/ her to do a medical examination, if the certificate of diagnosis prescribed by a famous hospital demonstrated the improvement, then I win the test. Is it easy?

If you are saying that actual changes can be made that can be measured by something like an MRI or nerve conduction study, then I think the test becomes much easier -- but I don't know about the expense.

If something that can be physically verified and measured can be done (as opposed to just saying there is less pain, for example), then the testing format can be made simpler, I would think.

N/A

 

[DrMatt]

It really doesn't matter because the JREF Challenge is not open to paranormal healers, so far as I know. ....

There's nothing in the challenge that limits it in this way.

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

What a pity it is, that Nan gave a wrong or unprecise description! Would you like to give another chance to Nan? I have told the bad result to Nan, and I suggested doing again or requesting his master to give a help, but no feedback now. Nan said his English is very very bad.

i'm quoted as a witness, that Qi Gong healing works and that was irritating, as from what i know so far, i could not say yes to that

I am sorry if it was irritating. But I did not aggrandize the fact. You gave me 25 scores, and I wrote that I got 25 scores. But I do not want to eliminate them now, as I will do a new test on this Sunday. If I fail, I will eliminate them immediately.

but if you already healed others beside Nan, its a good sign.

Yes, I have healed many other diseases besides Nan, some of them are also recorded in the same homepage, but in Chinese, such as physical injury, apoplexy, tympanitis, stomach diseases and so on.

Though there is always the nasty placebo effect, patient just gets better, because he thinks he received a good treatment.

In some sense, the QiGong healing is a permanent and obvious healing for a heavy disease, as the heat or the cold by which the disease was caused has been transfered to me. It is not reversible. Ideally, first, 1/2 left; second, 1/4 left; third,1/8; forth, 1/16 left (6.25% means being healed up). Given the safety coefficient of 2, plus 2 times for detecting, it needs 10 times to heal a disease up if the QiGong level is enough.

If you can ask 16 yes/no questions, its ok.

Good idea, but I am unable to do it in one test. If I focused my thought on it too much, the connection will be cut off. As to it, I want to read a paragraph of the Bible:
"So Peter got out of the boat, started walking on the water, and came towards Jesus. But when he noticed the strong wind, he became frightened, and beginning to sink, he cried out, "Lord, save me!" (Matthew 29 to 30, the books of the new testament)"
Do you know why Peter sank finally? He noticed the strong wind, the connection of him and Jesus was cut off.

If you are limited to one question, just ask whether the first digit is greater than 4.

Is the first digit greater than 4? Good, I will try.

This number asking is best, because from that a JREF test can be dessigned easily, would just take long if you are limited to 1 question per session.

It will not take long, but I need to do a trial.

And about looking Nan would need to specify, if he goes for what he/she looks now(pretty ugly if dead), what he/she looked last time i saw him/her alive or what he/she looked like, when i fell in love or when i first met him/her.

I think Nan should give a precise description of your looking firstly.

At first he could correctly guess, if its he or she, because that "/"-ing is nerving. Or did i give myself away already?

Ok, the first thing is to guess, you are a man or woman.

Have a good mood!
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NoZed Avenger

If you are saying that actual changes can be made that can be measured by something like an MRI or nerve conduction study, then I think the test becomes much easier -- but I don't know about the expense.

I think so. It will be embodied by certificate of diagnosis, better, prescribed by a famous hospital. I will request the certificate of diagnosis, only after a patient has felt much better.

If something that can be physically verified and measured can be done (as opposed to just saying there is less pain, for example), then the testing format can be made simpler, I would think.

As for the diseases related to acantha or bone, perhaps, comparing the shapes will give something. And I am expert in healing the diseases related to acantha.
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DrMatt

There's nothing in the challenge that limits it in this way.

Thank you! I do hope to heal AIDS. Certainly, I can not promise anything, only a trial. I ever felt the cold of AIDS at a long distance. If I can heal AIDS, is it a powerful evidence? So far, it is difficult to get a chance. I donot need a real name, only pseudonym is also ok.

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:


I am sorry if it was irritating. But I did not aggrandize the fact. You gave me 25 scores, and I wrote that I got 25 scores. But I do not want to eliminate them now, as I will do a new test on this Sunday. If I fail, I will eliminate them immediately.

Wait, you wanted to do seven tries with me, if i didn't lost count it would be number 3. I will not give any comment on what i think how much/if you posses paranormal ability before you have tried as many times as you initially thought are necessary.

Yes, I have healed many other diseases besides Nan, some of them are also recorded in the same homepage, but in Chinese, such as physical injury, apoplexy, tympanitis, stomach diseases and so on.

Looks like you have contradicted yourself, above you wrote:


" quote:Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up?


not able."

Or did you mean that you cannot heal physical injuries via long distance?

Is the first digit greater than 4? Good, I will try.

It will not take long, but I need to do a trial.

JREF frequently test people, who claim to be able to do something, that also can work by luck. In this cases, they normally require in the prelimenary test, to achieve a result, which would be succesful without para ability only 1 in 1000 times.
This correctly giving numbers can certainly also achieved by luck. And with yes/no question you have to find the correct answer to at least 10 questions(would be more if you are not certain to always get the correct answer) to get the 1 in 1000 chance.

I ever felt the cold of AIDS at a long distance. If I can heal AIDS, is it a powerful evidence? So far, it is difficult to get a chance. I donot need a real name, only pseudonym is also ok.

Shine Sun

You felt the cold of AIDS, before or after you knew, the receiver has AIDS? If you can identify AIDS via long distance Qi with a high accuracy(that you need to know) only given the pseudonyms of the patients, it would make a good test.

Healing AIDS repeatedly, would certainly be enough to pass the challenge.


Maybe you do not know, but what would happen, if someone tells you a pseudonym and that it is of a patient, who allows you to do the test, but its just a lie, there is no patient, whom this pseudonym belongs to. What would happen, when you try to connect?

Carn

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Dear all:.

First time! A paranormal ability was demonstrated! I healed up a chronic disease by the paranormal ability of Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing, only several days were used up. Perhaps, Mr. James Randi will be delighted to hear this good news. Please help me to tell this good news to Mr. James Randi, maybe it is what Mr. James Randi has expected for a long time. Certainly, it is only a beginning. The demonstration is as follows over the forum of JingLuo and QiGong (http://www.swyy.net/bbs/jlqg):

The post of Shine Sun on 11/15/2004, at 20:30:10 :
"Today (2004/11/15)19:00-19:46, I did the Qi Connection again to you. I swept through your acantha by my Qi, especially the parts below lumbar. I felt hot and painful on my acantha, a little pain on my waist muscles. Heat is pain, pain is heat, that is the law of human body. This signified your lumbar pain was healed in some way by my QiGong. More several times like this, you will be healed over. Today, tomorrow, or the day after tomorrow, you will feel better. Waiting for your good news."

The post of Nan on 11/16/2004 at 21:45:21 :
"Within these days, I still feel not good on my back and waist. I still can not sleep more than 6 to 7 hours, or I will feel painful."

The post of Nan on 11/19/2004 at 17:55:35 :
"Thank you, although my waist pain was not improved greatly, but now I can lie in bed for a longer time, and the pain is more bearable than before."

The post of Shine Sun on 11/20/2004 at 00:33:31:
"I am pleased. Your waist pain will be healed over after more several times. Now, I am alreay very confident! My waist swollen feeling still exists."

The post of Nan on 11/24/2004 at 12:54:23:
"Today, I must thank you very much! This morning, I felt much better! Today, I have slept 8 to 9 hours. Within the sleep, I got up only one time. Thanks!"

Conclusion:
It is normal of sleeping for 8 to 9 hours per day. That is to say, Nan's disease was healed over by 9 days and only one time healing.

I demonstrated my paranormal ability by myself. I will apply for the paranormal challenge in coming near future.

Shine Sun, a Chinese QiGong master

LOL!!! (But you forgot the smilies!)

And shouldn't it be Sun Shine?

 

[Shine Sun]

The Third QiGong Test

Carn:
I have done the third QiGong test with you on Dec 5th,2004, from 10:30 to 11:50 BeiJing time (3:30 to 4:20 your time).
Do you have any feeling?
I lied in bed and managed to reach QiGong status, and then meditated your name. Quickly, your spirit flied into my body. First on belly, then lumbar, then leg, then chest,then back, then face, then the back of head, then......
After the test, I felt fatigued and some slight pains around the waist. I did not detect any heavy disease of your body. I felt very good of leg, chest and the back of head. I guess that you can run fast.
You might feel some slight pains on belly, around the waist and lumbar. Maybe you had a special dream. I believe I can see you next time.
I asked your spirit two questions, " Is the first digit greater than 4?" and " Are you a gentleman?" Unfortunately, your spirit did not answer anyone.

Nan said that if you would give more information about you such as your birthday, he might give a preciser description of you. I think Nan's feat is far from QiGong, similar to that of gitana.

Wait, you wanted to do seven tries with me, if i didn't lost count it would be number 3. I will not give any comment on what i think how much/if you posses paranormal ability before you have tried as many times as you initially thought are necessary.

Ok, it is reasonable I think. I hope you can confirm prior to the seven times.

" quote:Are you able to heal physical injuries(e.g. a small cut) or speed the process up?not able."

I meant I am unable to do "regrow" work.

You felt the cold of AIDS, before or after you knew, the receiver has AIDS?

I am not sure. He said he had given up reading in university and listed many symptoms, but did not show certificate of diagnosis.

If you can identify AIDS via long distance Qi with a high accuracy(that you need to know) only given the pseudonyms of the patients, it would make a good test.

I can not identify AIDS now, as the experience is too little.

Healing AIDS repeatedly, would certainly be enough to pass the challenge.

I want to do a trial.

Maybe you do not know, but what would happen, if someone tells you a pseudonym and that it is of a patient, who allows you to do the test, but its just a lie, there is no patient, whom this pseudonym belongs to. What would happen, when you try to connect?

It is a problem, though it never occurred. If the patient does not exist, I should feel nothing.

Shine Sun

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Sun Shine,

I drank a lot of beer tonight and it has left me terribly bloated. Can you use your powers to make me fart? It would really be appreciated.

 

[Shine Sun]

The Central Scrutinizer

Yes, Shine Sun just is "Seven Smiles" (Chinese Name).

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The Central Scrutinizer

Yes, Shine Sun just is "Seven Smiles" (Chinese Name).

I haven't farted yet. Are you concentrating?

 

[Carn]

Re: The Third QiGong Test

Carn:
I have done the third QiGong test with you on Dec 5th,2004, from 10:30 to 11:50 BeiJing time (3:30 to 4:20 your time).
Do you have any feeling?
I lied in bed and managed to reach QiGong status, and then meditated your name. Quickly, your spirit flied into my body. First on belly, then lumbar, then leg, then chest,then back, then face, then the back of head, then......
After the test, I felt fatigued and some slight pains around the waist. I did not detect any heavy disease of your body. I felt very good of leg, chest and the back of head. I guess that you can run fast.
You might feel some slight pains on belly, around the waist and lumbar. Maybe you had a special dream. I believe I can see you next time.
I asked your spirit two questions, " Is the first digit greater than 4?" and " Are you a gentleman?" Unfortunately, your spirit did not answer anyone.

Ahm,...
Something tickling in my head about that..
Makes me wonder..

Yes, why doesn't my spirit answer your questions, if i want him to do so, thought repeatedly he should so?
Is there anything i have to do?

(Note for spirit of Carn:
Ok. you ****ing damn spirit of mine, i told you repeatedly to answer Shine Sun's questions, are you deaf? If you do not do what i tell you, i will look on internet for a new one and sell you to Satan or however pays. Got it? Do better next time.)

Nan said that if you would give more information about you such as your birthday, he might give a preciser description of you. I think Nan's feat is far from QiGong, similar to that of gitana.

If he knows my age, its already too much information. By saying i was born in 1899, he would already get the impression of old and worn face. If i say 1988, he'll know i'm still a youth.
So no birthdate, but i could give the month, if that helps(does he perform some atrological stuff to get his face visions?).

I meant I am unable to do "regrow" work.

But are you able to heal small cuts or speed up the process?

If yes, then take a volunteer, cause small and identical cuts at the same spot on both legs, best in a region normally protected by clothing and someone whose legs are not very different. Dice which cut you try to heal, but try to do it without in any way indicating which you try to heal.
Then do not contact volunteer until both cuts are healed and then ask which cut healed better/faster. If its the one you've been trying on, it would be intersting to do further test this way, if not, then its possible that your healing didn't do any good.

You could also do such a test with light burn wounds or even better with bruises(lowest medical risk there i think) and if no volunteer found, you could try with yourself, though a success there would not count that much.

It is a problem, though it never occurred. If the patient does not exist, I should feel nothing.

Shine Sun

Beauty of JREF test is , that they do not care what paranormal ability is demonstrated.

If you realy feel nothing on trying to contact a false psudonym, this would make a excellent test. But what requirements needs a real pseudonym? Does it have to be a pseudonym, the patient uses often or is it just ok, if he agrees, that you contact him with that pseudonym in mind?

If yes to the last, i think a nice test could be desgined and performed, with some members of this forum. Maybe even pretty fast, as you only have to determine whether contact is possible and can stop immiediately afterwards.


Carn

 

[Shine Sun]

Carn:

Something tickling in my head about that;Makes me wonder

It also makes me wonder. It seems a repeatable phenomenon. If so, it is very important. Do you have any special feelings on your leg (especially left leg) and waist and lumbar and belly?

Yes, why doesn't my spirit answer your questions, if i want him to do so, thought repeatedly he should so?Is there anything i have to do?

I do not know what you should do to help it. In fact, your spirit answered the first question. The first question is "Do you remember the 4 digit number created by dice casting?" Your spirit answered: "Yes". Then asked: " Is the first digit greater than 4?" No answer. Then I asked: " Are you a gentleman?" No answer too. As your spirit did not answer the second and the third question, so I did not mention the first one. I want to ask the second question next time directly. Maybe my ability is only enough to request your spirit to answer one time.

(Note for spirit of Carn:Ok. you ****ing damn spirit of mine, i told you repeatedly to answer Shine Sun's questions, are you deaf? If you do not do what i tell you, i will look on internet for a new one and sell you to Satan or however pays. Got it? Do better next time.)

I think it is useless. What is the spirit? It is a part of our body just as magnetic field for a magnet. We are unable to change it, I think. How will our spirits exist after we die? I do not know.

So no birthdate, but i could give the month, if that helps(does he perform some atrological stuff to get his face visions?).

Ok, I will ask Nan if only month is enough. I can not find the word "atrological" in my dictionary.

But are you able to heal small cuts or speed up the process?

Yes, I did it ever. One of my colleagues had a cut ever on his little finger (left hand or right hand, I forgot). The cutting cicatrized, but a great pain had been lasting for a long time. I
did QiGong healing, and most of the pain was removed after about 10 minutes.

If yes, then take a volunteer, cause small and identical cuts at the same spot on both legs,

I think only German can thought out so brutal test, only a joke. Some of Chinese are brutaler than German. If so, I think I must pay a lot of money. I think we can issue an advertisement to find the people who have great pain on wounds, and then I help them to remove the pain. But I do not want to do it, because generally, no hospital will give a certificate of diagnosis for pain removing.

If you realy feel nothing on trying to contact a false psudonym, this would make a excellent test. But what requirements needs a real pseudonym? Does it have to be a pseudonym, the patient uses often or is it just ok, if he agrees, that you contact him with that pseudonym in mind?

Most of names with whom I did test in Chinese forum are pseudonym. Though wrong healing by same name or pseudonym never occured, I still want to do some communication with him/her prior to doing a test over forum.

If yes to the last, i think a nice test could be desgined and performed, with some members of this forum. Maybe even pretty fast, as you only have to determine whether contact is possible and can stop immiediately afterwards.

Could you talk about your plan in detail?

Shine Sun

 

[Carn]

Carn:

Could you talk about your plan in detail?

Shine Sun

I'll try to think up/create/ find 10 pseudonyms, then convince 5 forum members to select one each and tell me, they allow you to make contact to them. I then present the 10 names to you and tell you that of these five are real, who allowed you to make contact.
You would contact try to contact all 10. Afterwards you tell me, which ones you think are real.

If you get 7 or less right, you would know, then you know that establishing contact just to pseudonyms is either faulty or does not even work.
8 would be interesting, 9 would make me ask to repeat the test once more with different people and 10 would raise even interest of others.

I would only do this if you seriously think, that you can do it.


Carn