Paradoxical insulin reactions?

epepke said:
No; I did it yesterday.

Ahh... Did you have the same morning reactions?

epepke said:
Obviously, it's hardly conclusive, as there's some variation anyway, and one would have to take an average. Besides, I've been eating more carbohydrates. At first, I was really paranoid about them and subsisted on yoghurt, curried dal, and tuna fish, along with a couple of cans of Glucerna a day so that I got some vitamins. But now I'm eating well. Which is good, considering the amount of calories that I'm burning at the gym and the muscle work due to lifting weights.

Well, you need to (again) go back to your doctor(s) and figure out what's going on. It depends on how long you've been diagnosed as a "diabetic" secondary to your pancreatitis, but if sufficient time has elapsed I would at least run an HbA1C to see what your long-term glucose control is. If this is extraordinarily low (e.g., below 5%), then it's a fair conclusion that you are being "over-corrected" with your current regimen. I'd also look at your C-peptide levels to see what sort of background insulin production you are making on your own, but this would have to be done after a period of absence of exogenous insulin (i.e., what you are injecting). Lastly, I would re-do the fasting blood sugars test. These last two tests are a bit tricky considering that you'd have to remove the insulin you are taking. But, overall, they'd give a better picture of what your baseline status is with regards to beta cell function within your pancreas (i.e., as Rolfe says, whether or not you've recovered at least some function following your injury).

Remember that Lantus is a long-acting insulin that keeps a steady state of control across a full 24-hour period and is meant to mimick the background levels of insulin in a normal functioning pancreas. So, don't depend too much on what altering this medication is doing for you, despite the fact that it could cause a Somogyi episode. Usually if you have also been on a lente or ultralente preparation, you may be having adjustment issues to those as well as they are also culprits. Again, I'm supposing this only as a possibility of what might be occurring... I have no idea of knowing for sure. And, the true Somogyi phenomemon is quite rare.

Best bet is to talk to an endocrinologist, if you can.

-TT
 
Hello ThirdTwin,

Can it be due to mucus blocks in pancreas temporarily cleared to release more insulin etc. or by 'mucus blocks temporarily created in intestines', to dimnish absorptions?

:)
 
ThirdTwin said:
Ahh... Did you have the same morning reactions?


No. My morning glucose was fine on that occasion. It's still fine, and I haven't been taking any insulin.

It depends on how long you've been diagnosed as a "diabetic" secondary to your pancreatitis, but if sufficient time has elapsed I would at least run an HbA1C to see what your long-term glucose control is.

Well, I still haven't really been diagnosed as a diabetic secondary to the pancreatits. I got out of the hospital just a couple of days before St. Patrick's Day, which of course I couldn't celebrate properly.

If this is extraordinarily low (e.g., below 5%), then it's a fair conclusion that you are being "over-corrected" with your current regimen.

The only thing I'm taking now is Prevacid, which is for a long-standing problem with acid reflux. However, even that seems to be going away, probably due to my weight loss and the fact that I'm being more careful with my diet, as well as getting a lot of exercise.

I've seen HbA1C tests in the stores; are they any damn good?

I'm a pretty experimental guy, but there's a limit to how much I'm going to experiment on myself, and as long as my blood glucose is fine, I don't want to do too much to mess it up.

Plus, there are too many variables. One other variable that coincided with the event last weekend was that I had to buy another batch of test chips. I don't know the normal variation in test chips.

In any event, I don't think I'm going to die any time soon. I keep a couple of boxes of orange juice near the bed and still have a 50% dextrose injection kit if stuff goes wahoonie-shaped.

Lastly, I would re-do the fasting blood sugars test. These last two tests are a bit tricky considering that you'd have to remove the insulin you are taking.

Well, fortunately, I'm not taking any insulin at the moment and haven't been for a couple of days and a few more before I tried the experiment.

Again, I'm supposing this only as a possibility of what might be occurring... I have no idea of knowing for sure. And, the true Somogyi phenomemon is quite rare.

You don't have to be so worried and boilerplate-mentioning. I'm not expecting medical advice. I'm just trying my best to be a Fully Informed Medical Consumer ™

I also learned long ago not to dismiss something because it is rare, as a lot of people who should know better don't have a feel for conditional probabilities.

I don't discount the Somgyi phenomenon, because when I was in the hospital, one night my blood sugar went down to 22 mg/dl. They asked me who the President was, and I answered "an a$$hole." Funny that I should remember Blade Trinity over George W. Bush, but then again, Blade Trinity made more sense.
 
epepke said:
The only thing I'm taking now is Prevacid, which is for a long-standing problem with acid reflux. However, even that seems to be going away, probably due to my weight loss and the fact that I'm being more careful with my diet, as well as getting a lot of exercise.

Well, that's good. Weight loss and exercise is always a good thing, and certainly will ameliorate any insulin resistance you may have been experiencing. (That was just for you, Kumar.)

epepke said:
I've seen HbA1C tests in the stores; are they any damn good?

Are you sure you've seen this test in the store? I don't believe there are legitimate home kits available for this test (at least in the U.S.), but I could be wrong.

HbA1C is a measurement of glycosylated hemoglobin. TGo conduct it, a blood sample is drawn and then the red blood cells are put through a test (which varies from immunoassay to HPLC, depending on the lab) to measure the amount of red cells, represented as a percentage, that have been permanently altered by covalent binding of glucose to one of the hemoglobin protein chains. It stands to reason that the higher the amount of circulating glucose over time, the more will be available to bind covalently to the Hb molecule within RBCs. This gives a good idea to the clinician of long-term diabetic control (e.g., it helps "catch" the patients who aren't taking their diabetic medications except on the days that the visit their doctors, etc.).

Here's the NIH article (written for lay people) on HbA1C:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003640.htm

epepke said:
You don't have to be so worried and boilerplate-mentioning. I'm not expecting medical advice. I'm just trying my best to be a Fully Informed Medical Consumer ™

Well, it's my personal conscience speaking. I'd hate for you (or someone else) to get the idea, "hey, that sounds like a great idea" and then go try something I said. Plus, there may be legal ramifications if I don't do so. So, sorry for the boilerplate, but if it could appear that anything I say could be construed as medical advice or a diagnosis, it's gotta be there. :(

epepke said:
I also learned long ago not to dismiss something because it is rare, as a lot of people who should know better don't have a feel for conditional probabilities.

Yeah, could be. Also, could be that something else entirely is going on. That's why a full work-up, at this point, is in order.

epepke said:
They asked me who the President was, and I answered "an a$$hole." Funny that I should remember Blade Trinity over George W. Bush, but then again, Blade Trinity made more sense.

Haha! That was funny! I'm surprised you could get anything out. I've seen one guy with a blood sugar of 14 who was foaming at the mouth, rigid, and completely unresponsive. We gave him 2 amps of D50, and he calmly woke-up, looked around, and asked, "Where am I?" I'll never forget that because my attending just smiled and said, "Welcome back." It is truly one of the most dramatic changes you can see in a patient.

-TT
 
ThirdTwin said:
Are you sure you've seen this test in the store? I don't believe there are legitimate home kits available for this test (at least in the U.S.), but I could be wrong.


Well, I've seen tests claiming to be that, and I know where they are in the local Walgreens. I haven't bought one, so I don't know anything more about them than that. I could go and try to find out more info, if you're interested.

Well, it's my personal conscience speaking. I'd hate for you (or someone else) to get the idea, "hey, that sounds like a great idea" and then go try something I said.

Fair enough, but I'd hate for you to get the idea that I'm really that stupid. Boilerplate all you want; I know this is a matter of public record.

Haha! That was funny! I'm surprised you could get anything out.

Actually, it wasn't that difficult. I distinctly remember getting up just so that I could find the cans of ginger ale that I had squirreled away. I knew I needed sugar, but I had a problem with operating drawers at the time.

I also distinctly remember the following conversation:

Me: I'm looking for the ginger ale.
Nurse: There isn't any ginger ale here.
Me: It's in the drawer. I need sugar! I need sugar!

Another exchange:

Nurse: Are you confused?
Me: Yes, I am confused. In fact, if you had to find a word for what I am at the moment, and if you picked "confused," you would be exactly right.

I also remember that I was trying to be clever and adapt a Douglas Adams quote, and I remember thinking at the time that I had entirely failed at that.

Fortunately, they did the right thing.

There was no loss of consciousness at any point. At all times, I was conscious and aware that I was messed up. I even looked around at the people there, once it was discovered that I was in a crisis. There were quite a few, and I remember noticing the terribly serious looks on their faces.

It only took a minute or two after they gave me the D50, and I was fine.

The nurses never found the cans of ginger ale, and I took them home.
 
Not really saying anything, because I basically agree with ThirdTwin, and he has the training in the right species.

But really, glycosylated haemoglobin is a complicated test and I've never heard even a suggestion that it was available as a point-of-care or home-test kit. There would be little point, anyway, because the result isn't urgent, it's just part of the monitoring process. I think you're either mistaken, or someone is trying to pull a fast one.

I've just done some sums, and I'm also surprised you were conscious with a glucose of 1.2 mmol/l. Don't risk going there again.

Rolfe.
 
I've just done some sums, and I'm also surprised you were conscious with a glucose of 1.2 mmol/l.

Yes, in fact it makes me wonder how reliable those tests were. I don't know about "over there", but considering how common diabetes is, it is horrible how little many doctors know about it in my neck of the woods. I have talked to several diabetics who found they almost had to educate their GP :(.

On epepke's case, my guess is that that this was an example of the poorly charted acute diabetes. We know that it occurs sometimes during pregnancy, often during post-traumatic stress (such as post-operative stress), and during various infectuous diseases. No doubt many cases go undiscovered.

I have heard the theory that post-traumatic onset of type 1 diabetes might be cases of acute D that did not recover. In that case the genetic vector for that disease might lie in the ability to recover (or lack thereof). This is, however, rather speculative.

Epepke's case might be complicated by some insulin resistance, an early-phase type 2 diabetes. In which case the weight-loss, exercise, and improved diet is the proper course, which might delay the progress of the disease for decades, even for life. ...So keep it up :).

Hans
 
Well, I just went by Walgreens, and yes, there is a home HbA1C test. It's a single-use box with a digital readout and a hole to bleed into. It's made by Bristol-Meyers-Squibb and costs US$24.99. The box claims it's as accurate as standard lab tests, which I can't of course verify, but I presume the FDA is happy.

As for the accuracy of tests, I have a lot of doubts about them as well, especially the pulse oximeter. I regularly got readings under 90% in the hospital, but I could get up and walk around, and my brain worked fine. I sometimes had to hyperventilate to the point of being woozy to get it above 95%. This may, however, be a developmental adaptation to my childhood asthma.

I also think that digital readouts are the bane of our existance, because their precision gives a false impression of accuracy. When I do a midday test on my home blood glucose device and get a 117, I don't believe for an instant that it is really accurate to three significant digits. One and a half, maybe.

Anyway, I've just been to my gastroenterologist. The last time it was tested, which was before I got my blood sugar down, my HbA1C was 7%, and my blood sugar is fine, and so he thinks I'm good to go for removal of my gall bladder and a liver biopsy, which I hope can all be done laproscopically. Which it probably can, because I'm in decent shape now, and my belly is flat.

It'll be a bit of a pisser, because I'll be recovering for a little while at least, and I'll probably lose a bit of muscle mass during that period. Also, it's another bill that I can't see ever being able to pay. It will be a real pisser if the liver biopsy is malignant, but then again, I've heard that the knowledge that you're going to die pretty soon focuses the mind marvelously. And it's not as if my life actually matters, anyway.
 
69dodge said:
Cheerful thought of the day . . .

Best of luck.

Always look on the bright side of death.
Just before you draw your terminal breath.

-Monty Python

What to do if you are in danger of certain death: Consider how good life has been to you this far. On the other hand, if it hasn't been good, consider that it won't be troubling you much longer.

-Douglas Adams
 
epepke said:
Well, I just went by Walgreens, and yes, there is a home HbA1C test. It's a single-use box with a digital readout and a hole to bleed into. It's made by Bristol-Meyers-Squibb and costs US$24.99. The box claims it's as accurate as standard lab tests, which I can't of course verify, but I presume the FDA is happy.

Huh! How 'bout that! Learn something new everyday... :)

epepke said:
As for the accuracy of tests, I have a lot of doubts about them as well, especially the pulse oximeter. I regularly got readings under 90% in the hospital, but I could get up and walk around, and my brain worked fine. I sometimes had to hyperventilate to the point of being woozy to get it above 95%. This may, however, be a developmental adaptation to my childhood asthma.

Have you ever been diagnosed with emphysema or been told you have "COPD"? Also, some of the pulse oximeter finger grippers are very sensitive to placement. Furthermore, breathing deeply doesn't really improve oxygen saturation unless you are recruiting more alveoli and increasing the areas of ventilated lung tissue already being perfused. Your specific findings may point to an additional lung dysfunction that should be appropriately diagnosed, preferably with formal pulmonary function tests. Unless, of course, you have already been diagnosed and/or there was some sort of technical malfunction (or other more reasonable explanation, such as atelectasis or asthmatic episode while in the hospital). Letting your SpO2 fall below 90% is not too wise, unless (as you suggest) you have COPD and are a "retainer, as we call them, with some baseline impairment of pulmonary function to which your body has chronically adapted. Again... boilerplate.

epepke said:
I also think that digital readouts are the bane of our existance, because their precision gives a false impression of accuracy. When I do a midday test on my home blood glucose device and get a 117, I don't believe for an instant that it is really accurate to three significant digits. One and a half, maybe.

If it's a good machine and you calibrate it, those tests are actually pretty damn accurate. Of course, there is a built-in measurement error in every test. So, you're right in that you have to take it somewhat with a grain of salt.

epepke said:
Anyway, I've just been to my gastroenterologist. The last time it was tested, which was before I got my blood sugar down, my HbA1C was 7%, and my blood sugar is fine, and so he thinks I'm good to go for removal of my gall bladder and a liver biopsy, which I hope can all be done laproscopically. Which it probably can, because I'm in decent shape now, and my belly is flat.

HbA1C is good. Why did they tell you they want to take your gall bladder and biopsy your liver? As I'm aware, this is not routinely done for pancreatitis. I don't want to concern you about this, but I really think you should be clear about why you are having this done - in explicit terms - before you consent to it. I'm not particular concerned about the safety of doing this (barring the normal risks that accompany each and every such surgery), I just think you should be clear, if you aren't already, as the necessity of doing this at this point. Do you have stones? Are you symptomatic (i.e., pain, etc.)? Why the liver biopsy? These are the questions you need to ask.

epepke said:
It'll be a bit of a pisser, because I'll be recovering for a little while at least, and I'll probably lose a bit of muscle mass during that period. Also, it's another bill that I can't see ever being able to pay. It will be a real pisser if the liver biopsy is malignant, but then again, I've heard that the knowledge that you're going to die pretty soon focuses the mind marvelously. And it's not as if my life actually matters, anyway.

Well, don't jump the gun, buddy. Take one thing at the time. But, I'd want to know - were I in your shoes - exactly why they think they need to biopsy the liver before they actually biopsy the liver. Did you have a suspicious finding on the CT scan or something? If that's the case, then definitely go for it. Likewise, if there is some concern (or it turns out) that there is something going on more than just pancreatitis in your pancreas, let me know. That changes the stakes, and I want to be sure you get pointed in the right direction.

-TT
 
ThirdTwin said:
Have you ever been diagnosed with emphysema or been told you have "COPD"?

I haven't been diagnosed with emphysema. I don't know what COPD is, but I do know that I have a bit more erythrocytes than normal. Not enough to be diagnosed as polycythemic, but still a bit high.

I've never had pneumonia, either. That's been checked, several times.

Letting your SpO2 fall below 90% is not too wise, unless (as you suggest) you have COPD and are a "retainer, as we call them, with some baseline impairment of pulmonary function to which your body has chronically adapted. Again... boilerplate.

Well, it didn't go much below 90%. On the digital readout, the lowest it got was 89%. But there's a psychological difference between 89% and 90% that is entirely unjustified given the accuracy of the measurement. I've been doing user interfaces about half of my life, and if I had my druthers, there'd be an indicator with a Gaussian distribution giving a reasonable approximation of the error on a scale. But people seem to like numbers.

I really think that the answer is much simpler. When I had the pancreatits, I was fat, and due to the pancreatitis, my abdomen was swole up like a dirigible. So my diaphragm didn't move much. I could feel it not moving, and it hurt a lot to breathe.

HbA1C is good.

Thanks. I thought so.

Why did they tell you they want to take your gall bladder and biopsy your liver? As I'm aware, this is not routinely done for pancreatitis.

The liver biopsy is becuase an MRI showed an anomalous mass. The CT scans didn't show it. Now, this is probably inflammatory, but they want to make sure that it isn't malignant.

As for the removal of the gall bladder, as far as I can tell, it's because they can't figure out why I was admitted the second time, without alcohol. Also, they did an endoscopic (if that's the right word) examination and found that the output of the gall bladder was, in their words, "sludgy." No actual stones, but as far as I can tell, something like a pre-stone condition. So I think it's really more prophylactic than anything else.

Are you symptomatic (i.e., pain, etc.)?

No, not at all. I feel great. Except, of course, for the muscle mass that I lost in the hospital, but I was also in bad shape for a couple of years.

I really appreciate your information, and I reassure you that I'm not going to interpret it as medical advice or get sue-happy or anything like that.
 
epepke said:
I haven't been diagnosed with emphysema. I don't know what COPD is, but I do know that I have a bit more erythrocytes than normal. Not enough to be diagnosed as polycythemic, but still a bit high.

I've never had pneumonia, either. That's been checked, several times.

First off, COPD is "Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease" and encompassess many diseases like chronic asthma, emphysema, etc. It's a catch-all term and is easily diagnosed by its specific pattern on pulmonary function test (PFT). Still, I'm sure they did chest x-rays when you were in the hospital, which can catch a lot of this. The fact that you have a slightly higher-than-normal RBC count (if that's what it is and not truly an across the board increase in total counts) could point to a chronic lung condition, but again if you continue to have problems you should get a PFT.

epepke said:
Well, it didn't go much below 90%. On the digital readout, the lowest it got was 89%. But there's a psychological difference between 89% and 90% that is entirely unjustified given the accuracy of the measurement. I've been doing user interfaces about half of my life, and if I had my druthers, there'd be an indicator with a Gaussian distribution giving a reasonable approximation of the error on a scale. But people seem to like numbers.

Well, this is a little tricky, though, because the O2 dissociation curve is not actually "Gaussian" and does not represent a smooth correlation with the partial pressures of dissolved gasses in your blood stream, which is what is really paramount. Percent-saturation of RBCs (which is what a pulse oximeter measures) do not correlate in a true curvilinear fashion. Typically a SpO2 of 90% correlates to a partial pressure of oxygen in the blood stream of 60mmHg. At 100% SpO2, you have a partial pressure of around 96-100mmHg, provided you're not on supplemental oxygen. This is fairly complex process that has a lot to do with the oxygen binding properties of hemoglobin and other intra- and extra-RBC regulators (such as amount of 2,3-BPG in the RBCs, pH of the bloodstream, etc.), and I'm not sure that I have the time (or the inclination ;) ) to try to fully explain it here - especially without completely baffling the likes of Kumar. But, suffice it to say, that you can become symptomatic when your PO2 falls below 60mmHg and you can begin to rapidly decompensate. Therefore, we get a little concerned when we see the SpO2 fall below 90% because of this correlation with PO2 in the bloodstream. So, while there may be some built-in "error" of the measurement, we typically don't like to play around with SpO2's in the low 90's, even with measurement error accounted for. If I saw that, I'd probably order an ABG (arterial blood gas) to correlate and really know exactly what was going on. But, that's just me. I would have given you an incentive spirometer, and instructed you to use it every hour. This helps recruit alveoli, prevent atelectasis, and more importantly prevent pneumonia. Anyway...

epepke said:
I really think that the answer is much simpler. When I had the pancreatits, I was fat, and due to the pancreatitis, my abdomen was swole up like a dirigible. So my diaphragm didn't move much. I could feel it not moving, and it hurt a lot to breathe.

Ahh... could be. We call this "splinting", and it could account for decreased lung expansion and transient atelectasis (or, temporarily collapsed areas of the alveoli in the lung) that continue to get a blood supply despite not being inflated. This area of "perfused but not ventilated" lung causes what's called a temporary V/Q shunt, and the result is that the blood going through your lung in that area does not get to dump it's CO2 and pick-up fresh O2. As a result, the amount of hemoglobin circulating through your body that is oxygenated is slightly lower, and this is reflected in your SpO2, which again is the percentage of hemoglobin that is fully "saturated" with oxygen.

epepke said:
The liver biopsy is becuase an MRI showed an anomalous mass. The CT scans didn't show it. Now, this is probably inflammatory, but they want to make sure that it isn't malignant.

As for the removal of the gall bladder, as far as I can tell, it's because they can't figure out why I was admitted the second time, without alcohol. Also, they did an endoscopic (if that's the right word) examination and found that the output of the gall bladder was, in their words, "sludgy." No actual stones, but as far as I can tell, something like a pre-stone condition. So I think it's really more prophylactic than anything else.

Well, first off, sounds like you had an ERCP, which stands for endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography, that can measure the function of the ducts within the biliary tree. It is still fairly commonly done in pancreatitis, but a lot of centers have begun replacing it with MRCP (an MRI version of the same test - less invasive). It is a good test and is indicated to see if you have an outflow problem. Sounds like you have some issues with your GB and it seems that these guys are suggesting the right course of action (but, please don't construe that as a second opinion ;) ). Plus, if you have a laproscopic cholecystetomy (which is what I'm sure they're suggesting) and the lesion in your liver is amenable to biopsy via that route, then it's probably best just to be sure what's going on. Solitary liver nodules are actually fairly common and, unless there is a high-suspicion of occult malignancy in the absence of other findings, they usually prove to be nothing serious. Of course, the biopsy is the definintive test to rule that out. Did they do some blood marker tests as well, specifically CEA and CA 19-9? Would just be curious to know what those results are, if done. (If not, I wouldn't worry about it. The biopsy will tell you everything you need to know.)

epepke said:
No, not at all. I feel great. Except, of course, for the muscle mass that I lost in the hospital, but I was also in bad shape for a couple of years.

That's great. And, good to know you're losing weight. Very important to feeling better and, in fact, just being better and more healthy. Once you're 100% back up to speed, keep up whatever you've been doing that's made you feel better.

epepke said:
I really appreciate your information, and I reassure you that I'm not going to interpret it as medical advice or get sue-happy or anything like that.

No problem. And, I'm not really worried about you suing me. But, unfortuntately, a lot of people are "sue happy" and it's just part of our training to be perhaps overly cautious when presenting information that can be interepreted and construed by anyone as "advice" upon which they then rely. So, the caveats are there despite the fact that I'm not personally aware of anyone who's been successfully sued based on information presented on an Internet forum. Still, I don't want to be the first. :D

-TT

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ThirdTwin said:
Well, this is a little tricky, though, because the O2 dissociation curve is not actually "Gaussian" and does not represent a smooth correlation with the partial pressures of dissolved gasses in your blood stream, which is what is really paramount.

No, I'm not really talking about that. My ex the nurse tells me that, a long time ago, pulse oximeters used an analog display. I think that analog displays are in many ways better than digital displays. A pointer with a Gaussian brighness distribution is a good digital way to approximate the effect of an analog display. Of course, if you have a high-resolution display, it's generally better to have a geometic pointer, but I noticed that the displays of the hand-held units had pretty low-quality, monochrome displays.

As far as the accuracy of the home blood glucose meters, I have gotten a pretty good idea by doing several tests, one after the other. I've seen variations as high as 17 mg/dl. That's with the alcohol completely evaporated; I imagine that residual alcohol might also have some effect. But it's bad enough sticking my finger; I don't want to get alcohol in the wound as well, so I haven't tried that.

I would have given you an incentive spirometer, and instructed you to use it every hour.

Yeah, I got one of those, too. And nebulizer treatments a couple times a day. But I still think that splinting is the most likely hypothesis.

Well, first off, sounds like you had an ERCP, which stands for endoscopic retrograde cholangiopancreatography, that can measure the function of the ducts within the biliary tree.

Yes, that's what it was. I couldn't remember the name.

Plus, if you have a laproscopic cholecystetomy (which is what I'm sure they're suggesting) and the lesion in your liver is amenable to biopsy via that route, then it's probably best just to be sure what's going on.

That's the idea.
 
I don't know if anybody is still reading this, but I did an amateur tolerance test today. I ate a huge birthday meal of sushi, with gyoza, lots of white rice, and a big bowl of mango ice cream.

Shortly after eating, my blood glucose reading spiked to 150, but 1.5 hours after eating, it was 130 mg/dl, and 3 hours after eating, it was 118 mg/dl. My fasting levels cluster narrowly around 100 mg/dl. Standard caveats about error margins in measurement (which I estimate as about +/- 8 for this meter) apply, but this is at least in the ballpark of what it should be. This is completely unmedicated. So I'm pretty happy.
 
I am not sure but it looks Magnessium, food that have much Mg, Mg. supplements & antacids (MOM) may have some special relation with BG levels.
 
epepke said:
I don't know if anybody is still reading this, but I did an amateur tolerance test today. I ate a huge birthday meal of sushi, with gyoza, lots of white rice, and a big bowl of mango ice cream.

Shortly after eating, my blood glucose reading spiked to 150, but 1.5 hours after eating, it was 130 mg/dl, and 3 hours after eating, it was 118 mg/dl. My fasting levels cluster narrowly around 100 mg/dl. Standard caveats about error margins in measurement (which I estimate as about +/- 8 for this meter) apply, but this is at least in the ballpark of what it should be. This is completely unmedicated. So I'm pretty happy.
Looks good. You are obviously NOT diabetic. There might be some insulin resistance (your BG ought to be back to baseline 2 hours after a meal, but this was a big one). Keep your weight down, exercise and eat sensibly, and check your morning BG occasionally. Disclaimer: This is a personal opinion and I'm not a health professional.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
your BG ought to be back to baseline 2 hours after a meal, but this was a big one

I didn't test it at 2 hours. I meant to, but I forgot.
 

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