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Pam Hupp arrested for murder

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Pam Hupp, infamous player in the Russ Faria/Betsy Faria case, has been arrested for murder. Though it may come as a surprise to some to hear that the arrest has nothing to do with Betsy Faria.

http://fox2now.com/2016/08/23/pam-hupp-handcuffed-one-week-after-fatal-shooting-in-ofallon-home/

In this instance she's been charged with shooting a Mr. Gumpenberger in her home. From the article, something very interesting was written:

"St. Charles County Prosecuting Attorney Timothy Lohmar stated at a news conference Tuesday that the investigation revealed that Hupp had sought out Gumpenberger and brought him back to her home on the day of the shooting. Gumpenberger had $900 and a handwritten note in his pockets at the time of his death. The note listed instructions to kidnap Hupp, get "Russ' money," and then kill Hupp. Investigators believe Hupp placed those items on Gumpenberger after his death."

Remember that mysterious note investigators found on Betsy's computer that Pam knew about? The one that said Betsy feared her husband. In Russ Faria's retrial his defense was allowed to use her that time as an alternate suspect I believe. Now if one suspects her of the Betsy murder, and one suspects she wrote that note...well, it's looking like an M.O. now isn't it.
 
If she can kill one more time she earns the coveted mantle of serial killer.
 
I was at first laughing, thinking she finally got hers, but she murdered another person.
Now I feel really bad. She needs to be locked away so she does not kill anybody else.
Self defense against a disabled man. . . Come on.
 
Samson said:
If she can kill one more time she earns the coveted mantle of serial killer.
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FBI defines it as the murder of two or more with a cooling off period between. . . .I am not a big fan of that but three certainly does it.
 
Desert Fox said:
I was at first laughing, thinking she finally got hers, but she murdered another person.
Now I feel really bad. She needs to be locked away so she does not kill anybody else.
Self defense against a disabled man. . . Come on.
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For some reason they don't like arresting a person after they got it wrong first time. Think Malcolm Rewa, Len Demler in these parts.
 
Samson said:
For some reason they don't like arresting a person after they got it wrong first time. Think Malcolm Rewa, Len Demler in these parts.
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I though it was also possible that she was arrested for murdering her mother.
 
Desert Fox's point about the gravity of the situation is well made ... but Jesus, this is delicious. I'd love to hear what Russ's prosecutor and that mouth-breathing police officer who coached Hupp through her testimony have to say now. Better yet, there was this from a commenter posting as "Perugia Murder File" on an article by Bruce Fischer on Ground Report:

Russ Faria murdered Betsy when he found out she was moving out of their house, writing him out of the will, and removing him as beneficiary of her insurance policies. Good to find a judge who based their decision on the evidence and not the dishonest, sensationalized, and lurid infotainment stories put out by the likes of Fox2, Dateline, and last, and certainly least, Groundreport.
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These bloody crimes with bloodless incarcerees are fascinating.

Lindy Chamberlain.
Amanda Knox/ Raffaele Sollecito.
Mark Lundy.
Russ Faria.
David Tamihere.

When does the madness stop?
 
The one thing with Russ is that he only spent two years in prison. . . Many take over a decade to manage to make their appeal.
 
Desert Fox said:
The one thing with Russ is that he only spent two years in prison. . . Many take over a decade to manage to make their appeal.
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Appeals are always denied. The adversarial system requires the jury decision to be rendered sacrosanct if any fictional account can be constructed. The worst I ever read was this one, because I have in hand, literally, scientific and evidential refutation of every word written by Tipping Glazebrooke and Mcgrath.

http://www.nzlii.org/nz/cases/NZCA/2002/197.html



Fortunately it is brief enough to waste little of one's life on.
It is a festering abcess in New Zealand. This is little different to any bloody crime scene where the hapless nearest neighbour or relative is thrown in the dungeon while there is no explanation for the missing blood..
 
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appeals are strange things. . . .It seems like it is often easier to appeal on technical grounds than it is on actual innocence.

The thing with Ms Hupp though is that her plot was so transparent that, baring something shocking, she murdered Mr. Gumpenberger.
 
Desert Fox said:
appeals are strange things. . . .It seems like it is often easier to appeal on technical grounds than it is on actual innocence.

The thing with Ms Hupp though is that her plot was so transparent that, baring something shocking, she murdered Mr. Gumpenberger.
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Appealing on case facts is a waste of time. Lawyers roll their eyes at the naivety.
If air crashes were treated this way we would rather swim to destination.
At least the sharks would be honest in their joy.
 
Samson said:
Appealing on case facts is a waste of time. Lawyers roll their eyes at the naivety.
If air crashes were treated this way we would rather swim to destination.
At least the sharks would be honest in their joy.
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You are probably a bit too pessimistic here but I do agree that there is a problem. We need to think about how we can reform the legal system so it operates as we want it to.
 
Desert Fox said:
You are probably a bit too pessimistic here but I do agree that there is a problem. We need to think about how we can reform the legal system so it operates as we want it to.
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DF, I have seen the enemy, and it is us.
 
Samson said:
DF, I have seen the enemy, and it is us.
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Yes, you are in many ways right. We cower in our beds afraid and give cops and prosecutors dangerous powers. We rather lock somebody up because they might be guilty not thinking about the fact that the real guilty party might murder a disabled person.
 
Desert Fox said:
Yes, you are in many ways right. We cower in our beds afraid and give cops and prosecutors dangerous powers. We rather lock somebody up because they might be guilty not thinking about the fact that the real guilty party might murder a disabled person.
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Apathy rules.
I have a 200 page hard copy of a meticulously researched case study of Mark Lundy. In my hand.
Scary as hell, he is innocent, and the appeal court could write this

"""[26]*** The question becomes whether an additional two years was a sufficient recognition of the need for very strong denunciation of the killing of Amber as well as that of Mrs Lundy. The evidence suggests that Mr Lundy planned the killing of Mrs Lundy very carefully. He must have appreciated that Amber, who was in her own bedroom, would hear what was happening to her mother and was likely to come into the room where her mother was being hacked to death by her father. Mr Lundy must have appreciated that Amber would recognise him and he must therefore have known that he was running a substantial risk of having to kill her in order to conceal his identity and make it look as though both of them had been killed by an intruder. This of course is exactly what happened. In terms of culpability, Mr Lundy must therefore be regarded as having willingly run the risk of having to kill his own daughter, of whom he was said to be very fond, in order to save his own neck. It is impossible to think that these thoughts would not have been running through his mind as he was driving from Petone to Palmerston North, by which time any thought of Amber not being at home must have evaporated. As was to be expected Amber must have come into the room, seen what was happening to her mother and turned to flee. She was caught by her father who administered several severe blows with the weapon to her head from behind. She must have died with the awful injuries to her mother as her last living memory. We have to say that Mr Lundy’s murder of his daughter in these circumstances, coming on top of the murder of his wife, requires denunciation and demonstration of society’s abhorrence at a very high level. The trial Judge did not, in our view, give this aspect of the case enough weight. He really only mentioned the involvement of Amber in passing.
[27]*** Mr Winter appropriately referred to the case of David Bain (T1/95 Dunedin 21 June 1995) who killed five family members and received a minimum non parole period of 16 years. Counsel suggested that anything over 17 years for Mr Lundy could not be justified in the light of the Bain sentence. That sentence was, however, imposed some seven years ago. Society’s attitude to very serious violent crime has hardened since then. Furthermore, the Bain sentence was imposed before the criterion for minimum non parole orders was changed from exceptional circumstances to sufficiently serious circumstances. That occurred in 1999."""

Lundy and Bain killed no one, like Russ Faria, were otherwise engaged when their families were being slaughtered.

The above fiction was written to sanctify two false prosecutions, and it will never stop until we make more infernal noise.
 
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I understand but this thread is about Pam Hupp and Russ Faria as a consequence. Sometimes fights need to be fought one piece at a time.
 
Desert Fox said:
I understand but this thread is about Pam Hupp and Russ Faria as a consequence. Sometimes fights need to be fought one piece at a time.
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I am continually debating this off line.
The subject is a crime free man who ends up in jail for a blood soaked crime.
The above examples show a pattern DF. There is no point pretending that crimes and miscarriages of justice are not subject to important patterns.

History obeys simple laws.
 
Sergei Walankov said:
Desert Fox's point about the gravity of the situation is well made ... but Jesus, this is delicious. I'd love to hear what Russ's prosecutor and that mouth-breathing police officer who coached Hupp through her testimony have to say now. Better yet, there was this from a commenter posting as "Perugia Murder File" on an article by Bruce Fischer on Ground Report:
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Pam probably wrote that.
 
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