Palin's attack, brings its own questions

[Temporal Renegade]

Here's a rather interesting article from TPM.com; seems Palin is still hammering Obama on his alleged 'association' with William Ayers, the 'Anti-American Radical' he keeps getting connected with. The downside? It brings up questions of her attachment to the Alaskan Secessionist Movement. To quote the first paragraph:
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Sarah Palin attacked Obama's patriotism today over his association with former Weatherman Bill Ayers -- a move that makes it perfectly legitimate to raise questions about the Palins' associations with a group founded by an Alaska secessionist who once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed our "damn flag."
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The entire article is here: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php

 

[Nogbad]

Trying to equate Obama with terrorism because he had the backing of a 1960s student radical seems a tad desperate to me. One might as well try calling him Paddy O'bama and say he must be connected to the IRA with a name like that.

Bill Ayres is now 64 and a distinguished professor. I really can't see what Palin hopes to gain from this other than a minute inspection of the past of everyone who has ever given her support.

 

[Temporal Renegade]

Seems to me, that the Republicans are panicking during the Home Stretch...

 

[Magyar]

One wonders 2 things;


1) under what definition is this anything mavericky and reforming politics?

2) just how is this less patriotic then advocating for an organization that wants to secede from the union?

 

[Nogbad]

Seems to me, that the Republicans are panicking during the Home Stretch...

They might try subliminal advertising with footage of Obama interspersed with pictures of Osama.

No doubt the conspiracy theorists already have them doing this though

 

[Temporal Renegade]

They might try subliminal advertising with footage of Obama interspersed with pictures of Osama.

No doubt the conspiracy theorists already have them doing this though

"Obama...Osama...Obama...Osama...
Coincidence? Maybe...but, can you be sure?
At least ONE candidate, has a BIBLICAL, AMERICAN name: JOHN.
John McCain. How can you go wrong?"

"...I'm John McCain, and I approve this somewhat confusing and misleading message..."

 

[Meadmaker]

Wait just a darned minute! Barak is the same as Baruch*, just with a different accent, and there's a book of Baruch, too. (Well, there is in the Catholic version...so, I still think that should count.)


On the subject of the OP, I disagree. An illegitimate attack from one side doesn't justify an illegitimate attack from the other. It would be stupid for the Obama campaign to open that door.

Besides, they don't need to. Sarah Palin can rest assured that she has plenty of time to finish all her important projects in Alaska as she finishes up her term in 2010. When you have to resort to stupidity like the Ayers stuff, you have nothing worthwhile to say that would grab anyone's attention.

*In case anyone wonders, this part is true. One is the Hebrew form, transliterated into English. The other is the Arabic form, transliterated into English. Both words mean "blessed", and are common names in their respective cultures.

 

[SteveGrenard]

If Palin wants to accuse Obama of hanging out with a terrorist from over 40 years ago who has served his time, and with whom he doesn't agree, then I hereby accuse Sara Palin of hangin with a terrorist ... also: the worst kind, a narco terorist and one who is active today, not four decades ago. See the thread at:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4100747#post4100747

I would like to know if Palin discussed (with Karzai) Karzai's role in the drug trade and narco terrorism in Afghanistan, as well as the role of his brother.

 

[GreyICE]

They might try subliminal advertising with footage of Obama interspersed with pictures of Osama.

No doubt the conspiracy theorists already have them doing this though

They already tried that last election, so why the heck not?

It's not like they have any morals or decency.

 

[leftysergeant]

If they keep up the whining about Ayers, maybe Democrats should start raising the question of why the old doddard at the top of the ticket used to hang out with David Ifshin.

 

[a_unique_person]

One wonders 2 things;


1) under what definition is this anything mavericky and reforming politics?

2) just how is this less patriotic then advocating for an organization that wants to secede from the union?

Doggone it, you just don't danged well git it.

 

[mhaze]

Here's a rather interesting article from TPM.com; seems Palin is still hammering Obama on his alleged 'association' with William Ayers, the 'Anti-American Radical' he keeps getting connected with. The downside? It brings up questions of her attachment to the Alaskan Secessionist Movement. To quote the first paragraph:
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Sarah Palin attacked Obama's patriotism today over his association with former Weatherman Bill Ayers -- a move that makes it perfectly legitimate to raise questions about the Palins' associations with a group founded by an Alaska secessionist who once professed his "hatred for the American government" and cursed our "damn flag."
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The entire article is here: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/palins_attack_on_obamas_patrio.php

Your argument is idiotic.

The ASM has used proper legal and constitutional procedures to pursue their agenda (which granted many cannot agree with)

http://touchngo.com/sp/html/sp-6072.htm

Not the same as trotting out the bombs and koolaid. From the citation:

Appeal from the Superior Court of the State of Alaska, Third Judicial District, Anchorage, Sen Tan, Judge.
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I. INTRODUCTION
Scott Kohlhaas drafted an initiative calling for Alaskas secession from the United States or, in the alternative, directing the state to work to make secession legal, and submitted the initiative, along with one hundred signatures, to the lieutenant governor. Upon receiving the attorney generals advice that the initiative was improper, the lieutenant governor declined to certify the initiative for circulation. Kohlhaas appealed to the superior court, which affirmed the lieutenant governors actions. Because the initiative seeks a clearly unconstitutional end, the lieutenant governor correctly declined to certify it. We therefore affirm the judgment of the superior court....
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ASM activities fall clearly within the scope of the First Amendment, Bill of Rights.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

 

[boloboffin]

Your argument is idiotic.

The ASM has used proper legal and constitutional procedures to pursue their agenda (which granted many cannot agree with)

http://touchngo.com/sp/html/sp-6072.htm

Not the same as trotting out the bombs and koolaid. From the citation:

Appeal from the Superior Court of the State of Alaska, Third Judicial District, Anchorage, Sen Tan, Judge.
...
I. INTRODUCTION
Scott Kohlhaas drafted an initiative calling for Alaskas secession from the United States or, in the alternative, directing the state to work to make secession legal, and submitted the initiative, along with one hundred signatures, to the lieutenant governor. Upon receiving the attorney generals advice that the initiative was improper, the lieutenant governor declined to certify the initiative for circulation. Kohlhaas appealed to the superior court, which affirmed the lieutenant governors actions. Because the initiative seeks a clearly unconstitutional end, the lieutenant governor correctly declined to certify it. We therefore affirm the judgment of the superior court....
​

ASM activities fall clearly within the scope of the First Amendment, Bill of Rights.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.​

Please point out the improper and illegal actions used by Jeremiah Wright in his prophetic pronouncements against America. (The argument includes a reference to similar statements made by both Wright and the AIP.)

 

[Tricky]

I've always thought this "Show us your tax!" thing was stupid. If they've cheated, it is up to the IRA to catch them. If it is legal, then it's nobody's business. Even though I have nothing to hide, if some stranger asked to see my taxes I'd tell 'em to stick it.

 

[varwoche]

I've always thought this "Show us your tax!" thing was stupid. If they've cheated, it is up to the IRA to catch them.

Does this mean we need to examine Tricky's terrorist connections?

 

[Tricky]

Does this mean we need to examine Tricky's terrorist connections?

Um... we prefer to refer to them as The Enforcement Wing.

 

[mhaze]

Please point out the improper and illegal actions used by Jeremiah Wright in his prophetic pronouncements against America. (The argument includes a reference to similar statements made by both Wright and the AIP.)

I'm drawing the analogy to Ayers, although no analogy need be drawn. As I've shown, the Alaska party operates within and with full awareness of their constitutional rights.

If you care to try to support logical connections between that and Wright's agipropaganda, good luck.

 

[pgwenthold]

One wonders 2 things;


1) under what definition is this anything mavericky and reforming politics?

I think it is funny that McCain is probably most well known (at least politically) for the McCain-Fiengold bill that was supposed to reform campaigning.

Apparently, that only applies to money, though. When it comes to campaign tactics, he hasn't reformed anything. As you note, it is slimeball campaigning as usual.

 

[Tony]

I'm drawing the analogy to Ayers, although no analogy need be drawn. As I've shown, the Alaska party operates within and with full awareness of their constitutional rights.

Thats irrelevant. They operate within their constitution rights, ok so what. They are literally an anti-American group operating within their constitutional rights.

 

[mhaze]

Thats irrelevant. They operate within their constitution rights, ok so what. They are literally an anti-American group operating within their constitutional rights.

Chuckle Chuckle. So they wanted to know if Alaska could secede, and brought the issue up to their Supreme Court who settled it. What do you know about the matter? Is the move from a territory to a state a one way street? How would you decide the matter?

Using the method of Ayers, Wright, or this party?

Wake up and smell the Koolaid around you.