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Palin on SNL

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RandFan said:
... but I don't see hating someone or having a strong negative emotional feelings toward someone simply for ideological views.
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When those ideological views threaten my rights, my freedom and my planet, I don't see how a person can NOT have strong, negative emotions.
 
RandFan said:
Please to explain?
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That's a famous quote from Stephen Colbert-- I think it might be from his White House Press Correspondents Dinner speech.

I use it here because, in my opinion, NPR news tries to cover the news objectively, including choosing to cover stories that are often neglected by more mainstream media. Many of these "reality-based" stories reflect poorly on the Bush administration (such as poverty in America, the real state of the war in Iraq, how Katrina was handled... Bill Moyers-type stories), and hence "reality has a liberal bias." Fox News conveniently ignores these stories, for the most part.
 
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I give some kudos to Palin for appearing on a show that has bashed her so hard. It doesn't make me want to vote for her ticket any more than I did before, but she was a good sport just by appearing and I respect that.
 
RandFan said:
It's this kind of hypocracy that turns me off of the left. They claim to be tolerant and accepting of different points of views but it's largely BS.
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I can't speak for the left or Tina Fey, but personality, I am tolerant of different views. But you're confusing being tolerant of different views with tolerance for all views. One can be tolerant of different views but still find some views intolerable.
 
FaisonMars said:
That's a famous quote from Stephen Colbert-- I think it might be from his White House Press Correspondents Dinner speech.

I use it here because, in my opinion, NPR news tries to cover the news objectively, including choosing to cover stories that are often neglected by more mainstream media. Many of these "reality-based" stories reflect poorly on the Bush administration (such as poverty in America, the real state of the war in Iraq, how Katrina was handled... Bill Moyers-type stories), and hence "reality has a liberal bias." Fox News conveniently ignores these stories, for the most part.
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Thank you. I'm a big Colbert fan and I faintly remember that now. An advisor from the Bush adminstration once dismissed rationalists ad the "reality based" community. I suspect that played a part.

In truth reality doesn't have a liberal bias but I get the point.
 
Tony said:
I can't speak for the left or Tina Fey, but personality, I am tolerant of different views. But you're confusing being tolerant of different views with tolerance for all views. One can be tolerant of different views but still find some views intolerable.
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I was refering to my understanding that Fey personally held contempt for Palin in addition to her contempt for those veiws.
 
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I'm leaning towards McCain. But admittedly, I think Palin has become this laughing stock, where it is pretty hard to imagine her in the oval office, especailly as Commander in Chief, if heaven forbid, it came to that, due to an untimely demise for McCain.

And I can't envision her standing next to Putin, Achmadinajad, Chavez, etc. and getting their respect. I could see Hillary getting their respect though, because Bill could maybe kick their butt. But I can't even get a mental image of this, with Palin being President. I am picturing granny from the Beverly Hillbillies having dignitaries over to the mansion, and offering them up possum for supper. Only with Palin it be moose stew.

So I am, in turmoil, right now, trying to convince myself to hedge my bet that McCain stays alive. And if not, I ask myself if Palin could be a better President than Obama and his radical pie-in-the-sky plans to utopia-ize this country.

BTW - I read all the posts on this thread. I often enjoy just reading all the banter.
 
Self-depricating humor can be used to dispell the insinuations and attitudes that surround a presonality. Unfortunately, Palin didn't participate in self deprication. She was merely present and had skits done arround her. It was more of a roast than a skit. I think she gets credit for facing those who are mocking her. But she failed at taking full advantage of the venue provided to her.
 
Sarah Palin still is a dumb woman. She believes in creationism and she believes that being gay is a choice. Just like those republicans Ted Haggard, Mark Foley, Larry Craig and Mary Cheney chose to be gay. :D
 
joobz said:
Self-depricating humor can be used to dispell the insinuations and attitudes that surround a presonality. Unfortunately, Palin didn't participate in self deprication. She was merely present and had skits done arround her. It was more of a roast than a skit. I think she gets credit for facing those who are mocking her. But she failed at taking full advantage of the venue provided to her.
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To be fair, she did a little. She did mention "Caribou Barbie" and the whole set up with Baldwin coming in and confusing her with Tina Fey was inherently self-deprecating.

I give her props for the SNL bit, even though I think she should probably have turned down McCain in the first place.

Now if she is elected I'm jumping ship and moving to New Zealand, but I guess I'll have to wait on that one.:)
 
Ichneumonwasp said:
To be fair, she did a little. She did mention "Caribou Barbie" and the whole set up with Baldwin coming in and confusing her with Tina Fey was inherently self-deprecating.
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True. She did a little. But not really directly, but rather as a straight man. All she had to do was acknowledge the things being said. Granted, for her, that's a step in the right direction.

When McCain was on, he was genuinely funny and attacked the age issue head on with a mock PSA.

I am certain she was playing it cool, to avoid making more blunders. She didn't want to create a Rudy type legacy. Which, I always thought the ridicule he recieved was unfair. His cross dressing skit was great, and it humanized him in an important way at an important time.
 
joobz said:
True. She did a little. But not really directly, but rather as a straight man. All she had to do was acknowledge the things being said. Granted, for her, that's a step in the right direction.

When McCain was on, he was genuinely funny and attacked the age issue head on with a mock PSA.

I am certain she was playing it cool, to avoid making more blunders. She didn't want to create a Rudy type legacy. Which, I always thought the ridicule he recieved was unfair. His cross dressing skit was great, and it humanized him in an important way at an important time.
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True, true. Had she done anything differently it probably would have played too much into the stereotypes, and she does have a political future to consider. Barring some unforeseen problem, she'll probably be the governor of Alaska for many years to come.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Alex Baldwin appears to be channeling Marlon Brando and Elvis.

Is he getting bloated or what?
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No Kidding.
And Baldwin has not had that great a career. A few good movies, and a lot of crap.
But he was great in "Glengerry Glen Ross". I will give that to him. At one time I could recite his "Coffee is for closers" rant verbatim.
 
Malice

"I have an M.D. from Harvard. I am board certified in cardiothoracic medicine and trauma surgery. I have been awarded citations from seven different medical boards in New England, and I am never, ever sick at sea.

So I ask you: When someone goes into that chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that their wife doesn't miscarry, or that their daughter doesn't bleed to death, or that their mother doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from postoperative shock, who do you think they're praying to?

Now, go ahead and read your Bible, Dennis! And you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was in operating room number two on November seventeenth, and he doesn't like to be second guessed.

You ask me if I have a God complex? Let me tell you something -- I am God."
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One of my favorite rants.
 
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