Palin Goes Rogue on Feminism

[Puppycow]

Hannah Rosin and Emily Bazelon nail Palin on her dismissive attitude about feminism while hypocritically complaining of sexism.

Loves the gender equality, hates the people who fought for the gender equality.

For example:

Sarah Palin likes Title IX because it allowed her to play basketball, which is something elite Northeastern women apparently don’t do. She writes that she is “proud” of the legislation and a “product” of it. But then one paragraph later, she quotes an obscure book ranting against the National Organization for Women and other “so-called ‘women’s groups’” that got it passed. She does not attempt to reconcile these two views.

 

[Ziggurat]

Why do people who like George Washington not like slavery?

Unless you can get more specific about where this supposed contradiction is, then you aren't really asking for consistency, you're asking for ideological rigidity.

 

[Cleon]

Why do people who like George Washington not like slavery?

Bad analogy. A better one would be someone who loves the American revolution, but hates Washington, Jefferson, the Minutemen, etc.

Unless you can get more specific about where this supposed contradiction is, then you aren't really asking for consistency, you're asking for ideological rigidity.

The contradiction is in celebrating the results of feminism, and trash-talking the people who got those results.

 

[cwalner]

Why do people who like George Washington not like slavery?

Unless you can get more specific about where this supposed contradiction is, then you aren't really asking for consistency, you're asking for ideological rigidity.

I thought he was

Loves the gender equality, hates the people who fought for the gender equality.

Actively acknowledging the benefits gained for you by a movement, while disparigang the movement is somewhat contradictory.

And the Washington reference is a complete non-sequitor. The closest you come is liking a movement/person (Washington) but non-liking something that he did not create. The fact that Washington did not end slavery is completely irrelevant to the analogy you seem to be trying to make. People tend to like movements/people for what they did do, not what they did not do.

 

[Brainster]

It should be a rule that no woman can ever question any aspect of feminism if they have benefited from it in any way.

 

[Ziggurat]

The contradiction is in celebrating the results of feminism, and trash-talking the people who got those results.

Why is that a contradiction? Does having done something good immunize one from any criticism? It might perhaps reflect some ingratitude, but you'll have to do more than this to demonstrate a contradiction.

 

[Eyeron]

It should be a rule that no person can ever question any aspect of (liberalism, conservatism, religion, etc) if they have benefited from it in any way.

 

[Dr Adequate]

It should be a rule that no woman can ever question any aspect of feminism if they have benefited from it in any way.

But what "aspect" of feminism is she "questioning"? The thing in the OP just says: "ranting against the National Organization for Women and other “so-called ‘women’s groups’” that got it [Title IX] passed".

An actual quote from Palin's book would be nice at this point.

 

[Morrigan]

If she said something like "While I appreciate their effort in accomplishing X, I find that their current actions regarding Y is questionable"... I would see no contradiction. But somehow, I suspect she wasn't so rational.

 

[Puppycow]

It should be a rule that no woman can ever question any aspect of feminism if they have benefited from it in any way.

Criticizing what a person says is not the same as saying a person should not be allowed to say what they say. No-one is denying Palin's first amendment rights.

 

[The Fool]

Just want to point out something, especially to those that still have to talk her up because there may still be an outside chance that you are forced to support her in the future.

What I want to point out is that the Lady is a joke. The whole world is laughing...Not with you....at you.

What stupidity ever spawned this person onto the political stage....as the GOP vice presidential nominee no less ??? Good grief.


please imagine a long line of laughing dogs....I can never find the right icon.

 

[Ziggurat]

What I want to point out is that the Lady is a joke. The whole world is laughing...Not with you....at you.

Of all the criticisms of Palin, this one rings among the hollowest. Palin is not universally admired, but she is still very popular among a lot of people. Whatever your opinion of Palin or the people who like her, "the whole world" is rather obviously not laughing at her or her supporters, because a big chunk of the world is those supporters. Them's the facts, fool, however much you might wish it were otherwise. And sticking your head in the sand and pretending that everyone laughs along with you won't change that.

 

[cwalner]

Of all the criticisms of Palin, this one rings among the hollowest. Palin is not universally admired, but she is still very popular among a lot of people. Whatever your opinion of Palin or the people who like her, "the whole world" is rather obviously not laughing at her or her supporters, because a big chunk of the world is those supporters. Them's the facts, fool, however much you might wish it were otherwise. And sticking your head in the sand and pretending that everyone laughs along with you won't change that.

Well, yesterday, Ms. Palin came to my State (IN) to do some signing for her book tour and and this was discussed on the weekly political round table, Indiana Week in Review, in the evening on NPR. Before you dismiss NPR as liberal, the round table includes two memebers from the state assembly from each party and occasionaly the governer, a Republican (although not last night). The Republicans, while not exactly laughing at her, were very clear that they did not consider her a serious candidate. One pointed out that while she does well with a part of the Republican party, that demographic is enough for a successful nationwide book tour, but nowhere enough for a successful national political campaign.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Just want to point out something, especially to those that still have to talk her up because there may still be an outside chance that you are forced to support her in the future.

What I want to point out is that the Lady is a joke. The whole world is laughing...Not with you....at you.

What stupidity ever spawned this person onto the political stage....as the GOP vice presidential nominee no less ??? Good grief.


please imagine a long line of laughing dogs....I can never find the right icon.

You might go back to an older post of mine in which I describe her variation on the Peter Principle. Consider it the Palin Principle (or corolary) as the Peter principle applied specifically to politics: people tend to rise to the level of their incompetence, in her case, the one step beyond Governor of Alaska. At that level, she seems to have been successful enough. The next level seems to be beyond her, still, though not for a lack of effort. I offer that President G W Bush is an OK example of the Palin Principle.

DR

 

[Whiplash]

Of all the criticisms of Palin, this one rings among the hollowest. Palin is not universally admired, but she is still very popular among a lot of people. Whatever your opinion of Palin or the people who like her, "the whole world" is rather obviously not laughing at her or her supporters, because a big chunk of the world is those supporters. Them's the facts, fool, however much you might wish it were otherwise. And sticking your head in the sand and pretending that everyone laughs along with you won't change that.

It's wishful thinking for some of them, sadly. They just handwave her as irrelevant and really think that that's reality and closes the deal.

 

[Ziggurat]

The Republicans, while not exactly laughing at her, were very clear that they did not consider her a serious candidate.

No surprise there: she's dangerous to the Republican establishment, because she comes from outside it, has no allegiance to it, and is willing to oppose it. It's not just democrats who view her as a potential threat. One need only look at what happened in NY 23 to see the tension here.

One pointed out that while she does well with a part of the Republican party, that demographic is enough for a successful nationwide book tour, but nowhere enough for a successful national political campaign.

Quite possibly true. Doesn't make what the fool said any less foolish.

 

[Eyeron]

Hmmm... Palin goes rouge on pessimism.

 

[Meadmaker]

Actively acknowledging the benefits gained for you by a movement, while disparigang the movement is somewhat contradictory.

I think this is an example of the fallacy of the excluded middle. Why can't people support some, but not all, of the goals of the feminist movement?


I think it's a bit like saying that anyone who opposed Soviet-style communism can't be happy about overthrowing the Czar.

 

[cwalner]

I think this is an example of the fallacy of the excluded middle. Why can't people support some, but not all, of the goals of the feminist movement?


I think it's a bit like saying that anyone who opposed Soviet-style communism can't be happy about overthrowing the Czar.

A better analogy would be somebody accepting royal patronage from the Czar while supporting the revolution on anti-monarchistic grounds. I will concede that this can, in certain circumstances, be justified, but so far, in her case, Palin has made no attempt to reconcile the discrepency or make any such justification.

 

[ZirconBlue]

Hmmm... Palin goes rouge on pessimism.

Boy, is her face red.