Palin & Family Guy

[Cicero]

ROFL

That was the funniest thing I've read all day!!!!!

Thank you!

When you ROFL is it difficult to halt the momentum of your mass?

 

[Cicero]

Guys, give it up. Cicero will *never* concede. In his mind, Family Guy committed the mortal Sin of Blasphemy by directly offending, and insulting the Holy Mother of Conservatism, Sarah Palin.

In his mind, they obviously did this by not referring to Palin by Name, and turning her toddler boy with Down Syndrome into a teen-aged girl with a completely different name.

Just let it go, and let him think that he 'wins'.

I guess AFF wins since she said, "I was making fun of Sarah Palin."

 

[Cicero]

...You are so deep in the rabbit hole, it's hilarious. Even funnier is that you don't realize it.

Really, listen to yourself. Arguing about the perceived attractiveness of a cartoon character now? Holy crap.

So in your world, cartoonists are incapable of drawing homely and attractive characters? OK.

 

[joobz]

I just have an innate sense of self-respect, dignity, pride, honor and good taste. But hey, if you are attracted to the AFF voiced-over cartoon character, have at it. Good to see that you eschew any and all less noble pursuits when looking at chicks and are above such Seinfeldian crassness.

"She also possessed many of the other qualities prized by the superficial man."

But the Golden Ratio belies the notion that there is no standard for beauty.

"Believing beauty to be in the eye of the beholder isn’t exactly wrong, but research suggests that there are some universal standards to attractiveness that everyone seems to apply."


" We are born with preferences and even a baby knows beauty when she sees it. Psychologist Judith Langlois collected hundreds of slides of people's faces and asked adults to rate them for attractiveness. When she presented these faces to three- and six-month-old babies, they stared significantly longer at the faces that adults found attractive. The babies gauged beauty in diverse faces: they looked longer at the most attractive men, women, babies, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and Caucasians. This suggests not only that babies have beauty detectors but that human faces may share universal features of beauty across their varied features."

http://www.sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/39616/title/It’s_written_all_over_your_face


http://www.powells.com/biblio?show=TRADE PAPER:NEW:9780385479424:14.00&page=excerpt

If you don't mind, please rank the following in order of most to least attractive.

 

[tyr_13]

We should really make a tally of the number of false dichotomies that Cicero has presented in this thread.

 

[Cicero]

We should really make a tally of the number of false dichotomies that Cicero has presented in this thread.

Let me know when you manage to tally one.

 

[tyr_13]

Let me know when you manage to tally one.

That if it wasn't an attack then it must be a tribute.

That if the character isn't beautiful, the character must be ugly.

Those are just two off the top of my head.

 

[joobz]

Let me know when you manage to tally one.

here's one

So in your world, cartoonists are incapable of drawing homely and attractive characters? OK.

In Morrigan (and really everyone's world), cartoonists are capable of drawing Homely, Attractive, Average, moderately attractive, moderately unattractive characters.

It is only you who seems to suggest that a cartoon character is either drawn to be a hottie or drawn to be ugly.

 

[Cicero]

That if it wasn't an attack then it must be a tribute.

I didn't say it had to be either. You said it wasn't an attack, but you failed to describe exactly what it was supposed to be.

That if the character isn't beautiful, the character must be ugly.

Never said that either. I said that, contrary to JFrankA and thaiboxerken assessment, the AHH character was not physically beautiful.

Those are just two off the top of my head.

Since you seem incapable of finding examples off the top of your head, might I suggest you seek another source.

 

[Cicero]

here's one

In Morrigan (and really everyone's world), cartoonists are capable of drawing Homely, Attractive, Average, moderately attractive, moderately unattractive characters.

It is only you who seems to suggest that a cartoon character is either drawn to be a hottie or drawn to be ugly.

Didn't say that, or even suggest that. Morrigan tried to dismiss the notion that cartoonists actually do manage to draw all of the above. Using the amorphous phrase "perceived attractiveness," Morrigan suggests that cartoonists have no basis with which to draw these variations.

 

[tyr_13]

I didn't say it had to be either. You said it wasn't an attack, but you failed to describe exactly what it was supposed to be.

It was supposed to be a throw away joke. But that isn't what happened. In response to you being asked how specifically it was an attack, you said that no, it was a tribute. Obviously you were being sarcastic, but that doesn't make it any less of a false dichotomy.

It should be noted that you're the one making a positive claim, that it was an attack. You are the one who must back up that claim. Telling everyone else to prove it wasn't an attack is poor form. This is especially true when everyone else has indeed provide such evidence.

Never said that either. I said that, contrary to JFrankA and thaiboxerken assessment, the AHH character was not physically beautiful.

You did indeed respond to 'she wasn't drawn ugly' with, 'be he has drawn beautiful'. So that is two.

Since you seem incapable of finding examples off the top of your head, might I suggest you seek another source.

Is this your new norm? Just deny everything your 'opposition' says? Tell me how the sand feels when you stick your head in it.

 

[JFrankA]

When you ROFL is it difficult to halt the momentum of your mass?

Yes!!! It is difficult!!!!! Especially going downhill. However it's fun when there is a downhill then an uphill right next to it. This way I can roll back and forth up the hill then down the hill then up the hill then down the hill....

It's fun!!!!!!!


BTW, how'd you know?

 

[Piscivore]

I guess AFF wins since she said, "I was making fun of Sarah Palin."

"I was making fun of Sarah Palin." =/= "I was attacking or insulting Trig"

Palin put herself in the public eye. Part of that means being occasionlly mocked. She (and you) need to get over it.

 

[Cicero]

It was supposed to be a throw away joke. But that isn't what happened. In response to you being asked how specifically it was an attack, you said that no, it was a tribute. Obviously you were being sarcastic, but that doesn't make it any less of a false dichotomy.

So sarcasm is now considered as false dichotomies. Did you just make this up?

It should be noted that you're the one making a positive claim, that it was an attack. You are the one who must back up that claim. Telling everyone else to prove it wasn't an attack is poor form. This is especially true when everyone else has indeed provide such evidence.

MacFarlane's political ideology is not in doubt. He elected to do a drive by dig at Palin using the Down Syndrome character as half of the nexus to S.P. and to set up the punch line. Why some JREF posters are beside themselves with indignation because S.P. didn't appreciate MacFarlane's sense of "humor" is rather silly.

You did indeed respond to 'she wasn't drawn ugly' with, 'be he has drawn beautiful'. So that is two.

Actually, I said, when MacFarlane desires to draw attractive characters, he doesn't seem to have any problem. I then posted an example. If you concluded from that that there is only "ugly" and "beautiful" that is the result of your own misapprehension.

Is this your new norm? Just deny everything your 'opposition' says? Tell me how the sand feels when you stick your head in it.

It isn't my fault if your conclusions are faulty. Keep trying. You might actually stumble on a valid one.

 

[JFrankA]

MacFarlane's political ideology is not in doubt. He elected to do a drive by dig at Palin using the Down Syndrome character as half of the nexus to S.P. and to set up the punch line. Why some JREF posters are beside themselves with indignation because S.P. didn't appreciate MacFarlane's sense of "humor" is rather silly.

Again....why is this an insult??????? Why is this bad for Palin??? If anything, it reminds the public that Palin is taking care of a Down Syndrome child.

I cannot see, at all, the reason for Palin (or you) to feel insulted.

It isn't my fault if your conclusions are faulty. Keep trying. You might actually stumble on a valid one.

....are you talking to yourself here?

 

[Cicero]

"I was making fun of Sarah Palin." =/= "I was attacking or insulting Trig"

If you remove the Trigg Down Syndrome component, MacFarlane doesn't have any S.P. joke. If S.P. perceives it as an insult, not a "joke," that is her right.

Palin put herself in the public eye. Part of that means being occasionally mocked. She (and you) need to get over it.

Occasionally? Mocking S.P. is de rigueur in the lame stream media and on the net. Where is it written that someone in "the public eye" has abdicated their 1st Amendment right to occasionally respond to folks who use her family members as a way to disparage her?

 

[Morrigan]

Didn't say that, or even suggest that. Morrigan tried to dismiss the notion that cartoonists actually do manage to draw all of the above. Using the amorphous phrase "perceived attractiveness," Morrigan suggests that cartoonists have no basis with which to draw these variations.

Actually, "Morrigan" is thinking you're a complete kook for trying to base an actual, serious argument on whether or not a cartoon character is attractive enough for you.

I mean, arguing about whether or not a cartoon character is attractive or not is already pretty sad. But claiming that your anti-Palin CT is true because uh... this cartoon character is ugly! is so mind-boggling that it's hilarious.

 

[Cicero]

Again....why is this an insult??????? Why is this bad for Palin??? If anything, it reminds the public that Palin is taking care of a Down Syndrome child.

According to you, and other JREF posters in this thread, S.P does nothing but remind people she has a Down Syndrome child. So we are now to believe that MacFarlane is part of the S.P. political machine?

I cannot see, at all, the reason for Palin (or you) to feel insulted.

Where did I post that I was insulted? I just don't begrudge S.P. for perceiving the episode an insult to her family.

....are you talking to yourself here?

I never thought of JREF as a diary. Have you used it as such?

 

[JFrankA]

If you remove the Trigg Down Syndrome component, MacFarlane doesn't have any S.P. joke. If S.P. perceives it as an insult, not a "joke," that is her right.

I completely agree with you. It is her right. Just as it is my right to think of her as a douche bag because she can't take a joke.

Do not confuse loss of respect with wanting to stop the right to speak.

[qutoe]Occasionally? Mocking S.P. is de rigueur in the lame stream media and on the net.[/quote]

Evidence? Show me where Sarah Palin is mocked more than anyone else in the public eye. I want numbers, dammit!!!!

Where is it written that someone in "the public eye" has abdicated their 1st Amendment right to occasionally respond to folks who use her family members as a way to disparage her?

It's not. Where are you getting this piece of fiction?

Let me put it this way: Where is it written that someone in "the public eye" has to be protected so to take away the 1st Amendment right from who's job it is to make people laugh to occasionally make fun of, or refer to in jest?

Further, where is it written that someone someone in "the public eye" has to be protected so to take away the 1st Amendment right from people like us to criticize that same person as to their reaction (or overreaction) to such a jest?

 

[Cicero]

Actually, "Morrigan" is thinking you're a complete kook for trying to base an actual, serious argument on whether or not a cartoon character is attractive enough for you.

I mean, arguing about whether or not a cartoon character is attractive or not is already pretty sad. But claiming that your anti-Palin CT is true because uh... this cartoon character is ugly! is so mind-boggling that it's hilarious.

The charater is defintely attractive enough for JFrankA and thaiboxerken. What CT is this that you speak of?

BTW: Are you attracted to your cartoon avatar?