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PA Rep. Michael Turzai admits voter registration is a scam.

I'm glad you found something else that fit one of your confirmation bias positions. Kudos!

No substance: Check!

Unhelpful: Check!

Attacks the arguer: Check!

Everything seems to be in order here.
 
I'm glad you found something else that fit one of your confirmation bias positions. Kudos!
I'm glad you are able to stifle your cognitive dissonance enough to actually state that. FWIW: I've got the honesty to admit my bias and recognize that we all do that, you?

In any event, I think it takes a certain lack of character to use a person's honesty to rhetorical advantage. Would you not agree? And what of the character of those who claim that voter registration laws are not politically motivated?
 
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"Voter ID laws will allow Mitt Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania."

Devil's advocate:

There is a possible innocent explanation of this remark. He may believe that without voter ID laws, an organized campaign of false votes will occur, and thus fraudulently deliver an Obama win in what would otherwise have been a Romney state. This interpretation is supported (I think) by his use of the word "allow," rather than - say - "cause."
 
"Voter ID laws will allow Mitt Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania."

Devil's advocate:

There is a possible innocent explanation of this remark. He may believe that without voter ID laws, an organized campaign of false votes will occur, and thus fraudulently deliver an Obama win in what would otherwise have been a Romney state. This interpretation is supported (I think) by his use of the word "allow," rather than - say - "cause."
There is no evidence that fraud exists on any statistically significant level. Given your premise the guy is extremely dishonest or very, very stupid.
 
There is no evidence that fraud exists on any statistically significant level.

Agreed.

Given your premise the guy is extremely dishonest or very, very stupid.

In my hypothetical scenario, it would be the latter.

There is a widespread belief in certain quarters that there is an epidemic of voter fraud occuring in this country. This notion is driven by talk radio and the internet. This guy may have fallen for this.

I counsel a judicious application of Hanlon's Razor.
 
Agreed.

In my hypothetical scenario, it would be the latter.

There is a widespread belief in certain quarters that there is an epidemic of voter fraud occuring in this country. This notion is driven by talk radio and the internet. This guy may have fallen for this.

I counsel a judicious application of Hanlon's Razor.
Yeah, I'll accept it as a possibility. Paranoid and stupid vs shrewd and cynical is the ideological version of the POE, and played oh so deftly by our GOP fellow citizens. Harkens back to McCarthy and the red scare. Emotion motivates better than reason and the dumber you are the more likely you are to believe baseless **** out of fear.
 
Nor is there evidence that voter ID laws repress the vote to any statistically significant level.
That's not the point of this thread now is it?

But nice attempt at derailing it and moving focus away from the Republican's comment. Hopefully people won't bite.
 
That's not the point of this thread now is it?

But nice attempt at derailing it and moving focus away from the Republican's comment. Hopefully people won't bite.
I fail to see the significance of that comment. I'll file it in the same folder as "Larry Silverstein said pull it".
 
Funny how many other countries including our nearest neighbors of Canada and Mexico, have some sort of voter ID requirement, and somehow there isn't any problem of voter disenfranchisement and cries of discrimination?
 
I have a fair amount of confidence here in my default assumption that both sides are wrong, i.e. that:

1) There is no appreciable voter fraud, and therefore no need for voter ID laws,

and

2) When implemented, voter ID laws do nothing whatsoever to suppress the vote...

...in which case the whole debate is a waste of time.

I'd be happy to consider any evidence that I am wrong on either point above.
 
Funny how many other countries including our nearest neighbors of Canada and Mexico, have some sort of voter ID requirement, and somehow there isn't any problem of voter disenfranchisement and cries of discrimination?
Funny how that's not a valid argument. Funny how you want to rationalize something that will disenfranchise people for no good reason by arguing that "but mommy, nobody minds when Billy does it".

Neally, A.) That someone else does something doesn't make it okay. B.) We are not Canada, we have a different history and a different social dynamic.
 
An objective perspective:

Assuming voter ID laws do not disenfranchise in a statistically significant way:

Will Voter ID Laws Disenfranchise Democratic Voters?

The New York Times said:
Rick Hasen, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine, and one of the nation’s foremost experts on election law, has published a preview of a new book with a sobering reminder for those of us who oppose the growing body of laws requiring identification in order to vote.

It’s not possible to show, he says, that many people have actually been deterred from voting by these laws. In part, that’s because many of these laws are new, and in part it’s because many of the people who lack an ID card tend not to be interested in voting in the first place.

“Voting should not be a difficult activity; everyone entitled to vote should be able to vote,” he writes on his election-law blog. “We should not put stumbling blocks in front of voters to solve a non-existent problem. The dignity of the voter is just too high.”
 
Florida

Bush garnered 40% of the Latino vote in the last election, IIRC. Romney is not fairing so well. In 2004 Bush carried Florida. Florida is a toss up state. In 2000 Bush won by a razor thin margin. If you were a betting man and you were spending tens of millions to get Bush elected would you try and improve your lie?

FWIW: Pennsylvania leans Obama, but not that much.
 

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