You do know you are making not one iota of sense?
Perhaps you could try again to explain?
Our next unelected PM?
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Perhaps you could try again to explain?
NWO Sentryman
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So, my point was that if Boris gets into no. 10 it will forever discredit political correctness as being nothing more than a facade. This is a man who has publicly made racist and homophobic statements in the past, and that would not have stopped him from getting in. Then again, the "politically correct" liberal democrats did not walk out of coalition over the GO HOME vans.
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Yea racism wins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time for all conservatives to have a happy dance!
OF course we knew that racism is always a good way to appeal to conservative voters, see Trump.
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Wouldn't that be hatred of tolerance gone mad?
Yes, enough Conservatives are racists and/or homophobes and/or have 1930s attitudes to relationships for Boris to prosper. Then again there are 160,000 or so of them and they're overwhelmingly old white males so it's hardly surprising and not a damning indictment of PC generally but rather an indication of how difficult it is to persuade that particular subset of society of its benefits..
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And Liberal Democrats, the purported guarantors of PC, fell in lock step when coalition conflicted with ideals. For all the talk of "Variety of dinnerplates brings people together!", it tends to get dropped at the first sign of trouble. It's just lip service at the end of the day, and talk is cheap. Or look at how Labour decided to lurch right in 2015 with "Controls on Immigration" mugs.
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It might actually be a good outcome for Britain if Boris is elected PM. Because imho (1) he is extremely unlikely to impress any of the EU negotiators over Brexit, so I doubt he will get any new deal from them. Then (2) if he tries to bounce the HoC into agreeing a No-deal-Exit that will also likely fail since even the Tory MP's have enough remainers to vote against a No-deal-Exit. And (3) any scenario like 1 & 2 would leave Boris looking like a floundering buffoon hopelessly out of his depth and an embarrassment in the eyes of the majority of Conservative MP's. That might also lead to (4) a general election where we find that whilst a lot of the UK public think Boris is amusing and a bit of fun, they actually do not want to elect him as PM (so Conservatives go down to a heavy defeat in a GE, and Labour wins with a narrow-ish working majority).
Of course it might not work out like that with Boris as PM (he might have more success than I expect). But I think something like the above is reasonably likely if Boris becomes PM.
Of course it might not work out like that with Boris as PM (he might have more success than I expect). But I think something like the above is reasonably likely if Boris becomes PM.
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Nice.
Also, here's a lovely piece about your soon-to-be PM. By his former boss, so you'd say the bloke knows him pretty well.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain
Interesting interview this evening with BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg (ie interview with Boris Johnson) -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48751527
To me that just looked quite clearly to be an attempted sales job from Boris with no real substance. That is – he really had no good or openly honest answers, and the whole thing was just his best attempt at a show of trying to convince viewers that at least his heart is in the right place (but not at all a convincing display it seemed to me).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48751527
To me that just looked quite clearly to be an attempted sales job from Boris with no real substance. That is – he really had no good or openly honest answers, and the whole thing was just his best attempt at a show of trying to convince viewers that at least his heart is in the right place (but not at all a convincing display it seemed to me).
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You do know that it's only the Tory Party that gets to vote. About 100,000 of them.
they aren't noted for being 'PC'
Puppycow
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An Old Etonian with a cultivated air of "charming" incompetence and 1930's views on domestic abuse - I think he should play this whole thing up to the max, it can only enhance his standing among Conservative members
Forgive me, but are people jumping to conclusions here about who was abusing whom? (I thought I read that she was doing the screaming and he was mumbling?)
Here's one pundit who seems to be making that assumption:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...womens-rights-domestic-violence-a8970391.html
Assumption: all domestic violence is "male violence against women".
Statistically, it's almost as likely that he was the victim.
The really, really sad thing is that Corbyn would be an even more disgraceful, embarrassing and incompetent PM. The UK is ****** either way.
Political correctness (modern version) has always been a strawman, it was invented by USA right leaning folk as a strawman attack on those they considered to be to their left so of course it is nothing but "a facade.
That aside you are still not making any sense, are you unaware of who will be voting in the Tory leadership contest, a hint it won't be the Liberal Democrats?
Er "And Liberal Democrats, the purported guarantors of PC,.." by who? You?
We were talking about people's perceptions, which often are at odds with reality. Johnson actually typifies this.
People criticise or praise various different political figures for all sorts of reasons (fair & unfair). But I don't think it's credible to say that Corbyn is an embarrassing incompetent buffoon in the way Boris is.
Corbyn already held talks with the senior 4 or 5 EU negotiators just before Mr's May's final meeting with them, and the comments from the EU negotiators were all positive and supportive of their talks with Corbyn. So on that basis, I think Corbyn would be far more likely to be able to agree an Exit deal with EU. I think Corbyn's politics (and Labour politics in general) are much closer to those of the EU leaders anyway ... so they are already in far closer political agreement in that respect).
Obviously, the EU has already made very clear that they will not change the substance of the offers that they already made to Mr's May, so any deal made with Corbyn would have to be very close to what we already had with Mr's May. But the EU are far more likely to at least discuss changes with a new UK Prime Minister from a different political party (a far more socialist party as opposed to a party of the "Right" which has in this particular case been destroyed from within by an extreme right-wing anti-EU faction headed by people like Boris and Jacob Rees Mogg).
But I think the most likely outcome if Jeremy and Labour were to win a GE, would be that we could not get a deal much different from that which Mrs May had, and that any such deal would be rejected again in a parliamentary vote, with the result that Corbyn would then probably present MP's with two options (1) a new public referendum, or (2) revoke Article-50 (ie remain in the EU).
Having said that – politics has a habit of coming up with things you just never expected. So, whilst I think the above scenario is as likely as any (ie if Corbyn becomes PM), I'm also aware that there could yet be all sorts of surprises to change things at any moment.
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It's worth quoting the end of that:
"If the Johnson family had stuck to showbusiness like the Osmonds, Marx Brothers or von Trapp family, the world would be a better place. Yet the Tories, in their terror, have elevated a cavorting charlatan to the steps of Downing Street, and they should expect to pay a full forfeit when voters get the message. If the price of Johnson proves to be Corbyn, blame will rest with the Conservative party, which is about to foist a tasteless joke upon the British people – who will not find it funny for long."
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