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Our next unelected PM?

Ex-RCP are all over the place.
Spiked is ex-RCP run (with Koch funding, I believe).
We have the Manifesto Club mentioned already.

Several ex-members signed up for the Brexit Party.

They seem to turn up on the Beeb all the time (look up Ella Whelan).

A very dangerous bunch who seem to finally be getting their way.
 
Tolls said:
Ex-RCP are all over the place.
Spiked is ex-RCP run (with Koch funding, I believe).
We have the Manifesto Club mentioned already.

Several ex-members signed up for the Brexit Party.

They seem to turn up on the Beeb all the time (look up Ella Whelan).

A very dangerous bunch who seem to finally be getting their way.
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Looks as though Boris wants to be Charles the First.
Careful, he might get his Cromwell...
 
Captain_Swoop said:
what the **** does any of this have to do with the PM?
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Rees-Mogg thinks it important.

He is high up in the government.

However, I note the BBC news can't seem to make up their minds whether to use 'gallons', 'litres' or 'tonnes', mixed in with charts showing the distance of Whaley Bridge* to the town in kilometres. This is annoying.

* re the recent threat of a dam bursting.
 
No, I have been in Norway the last two weeks and it's been stupendous. Apart from yesterday and today.

Everything is too expensive here though and it can't all be explained by the GBP being in the toilet
 
I was in Switzerland last week and everything is very expensive there too. Hmm. What do Norway and Switzerland have in common, I wonder.
 
Switzerland is a bit cheaper in my experience. Not a lot. Both of them seem to stop you buying a bottle of wine for about 40 hours over a weekend.
 
So we have an 'unelected' PM, though he was elected by a huge margin by his party, and that's bad. Now we have proposals for an unelected emergency government with his holiness JC as head and that OK because he's a 'caretaker PM'.

So how long is this caretaker period? Given that Momentum, and his closest confidents are refugees from the SWP. A group so idious that China Melville resigned from it in protest against cover-ups over serious sexual harrassment and even assaults. Scenes very reminisent of the anti-semitism claims in the present party.

For an opposition arguing about constitutional abuses, they don't seem to be afraid to launch their own ones.

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Mikemcc said:
So we have an 'unelected' PM, though he was elected by a huge margin by his party, and that's bad. Now we have proposals for an unelected emergency government with his holiness JC as head and that OK because he's a 'caretaker PM'.

So how long is this caretaker period? Given that Momentum, and his closest confidents are refugees from the SWP. A group so idious that China Melville resigned from it in protest against cover-ups over serious sexual harrassment and even assaults. Scenes very reminisent of the anti-semitism claims in the present party.

For an opposition arguing about constitutional abuses, they don't seem to be afraid to launch their own ones.

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Nobody here has claimed anything is OK as far as I can see.

But given that neither option is particularly legitimate I would say thats a sound argument for not pushing through major irrevocable and potentially hugely damaging changes until the situation is resolved
 
Mikemcc said:
So we have an 'unelected' PM, though he was elected by a huge margin by his party, and that's bad. Now we have proposals for an unelected emergency government with his holiness JC as head and that OK because he's a 'caretaker PM'.

So how long is this caretaker period? Given that Momentum, and his closest confidents are refugees from the SWP. A group so idious that China Melville resigned from it in protest against cover-ups over serious sexual harrassment and even assaults. Scenes very reminisent of the anti-semitism claims in the present party.

For an opposition arguing about constitutional abuses, they don't seem to be afraid to launch their own ones.

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Why is China Mieville's resignation significant? Does he usually not object unless things are really really bad?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Nobody here has claimed anything is OK as far as I can see.

But given that neither option is particularly legitimate I would say thats a sound argument for not pushing through major irrevocable and potentially hugely damaging changes until the situation is resolved
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I am not happy about either scenario (Johnson or Corbyn being PM), but Boris Johnson was elected entirely correctly according to the Conservative party rules, and it is his right to govern the country as PM if he can muster a majority. And Jeremy Corbyn has an entirely legitimate claim to govern the country if he wins a vote of no confidence and able to command a majority. That much is surely uncontroversial.

Obviously opposing parties can point out the deficiencies in such systems and there may be political dangers in following the letter but perhaps not the spirit of whatever "democracy" is deemed to mean. There are also obviously difficulties in an unwritten constitution in what might be the correct way forward regarding a General Election, a second referendum or the possibility of allowing No Deal to remain the default option before, after or during a general Election.

But the referendum result was legitimate, as was the mechanism to make May the leader of the Conservative Party, and thus PM, ditto Johnson and ditto Corbyn as Labour leader and thus leader of Her Majesty's Loyal opposition.

Personally I support Swinson and the Lib Dems, (so as not to seem to be defending Johnson or Corbyn too much).

I do think it would be terribly irresponsible of Johnson to push through a No Deal before a General Election, especially if he lost a vote of no confidence . The tension between representative democracy and democracy by referenda would be intolerably stretched.

I believe, however, that he will do better in a General Election than might be thought by some, whether or not Brexit has actually taken place.
 
Mikemcc said:
So we have an 'unelected' PM, though he was elected by a huge margin by his party, and that's bad. Now we have proposals for an unelected emergency government with his holiness JC as head and that OK because he's a 'caretaker PM'.

So how long is this caretaker period? Given that Momentum, and his closest confidents are refugees from the SWP. A group so idious that China Melville resigned from it in protest against cover-ups over serious sexual harrassment and even assaults. Scenes very reminisent of the anti-semitism claims in the present party.

For an opposition arguing about constitutional abuses, they don't seem to be afraid to launch their own ones.

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That's a big pile of straw there, be careful of fire.
 
Boris basically telling the Republic of Ireland to go get stuffed with his "no backstop" statement.
God, the man and his cronies are going to start round 3 of "The Troubles" the way they are going.
 
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