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Our next unelected PM?

Vixen said:
Next to the likes of the rather dim Prince Harry, Boris would come across as a genius.
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I am sure you will agree that Prince Harry is not representative of the average Eton pupil. My understanding is that Eton is quite competitive to get into (leaving aside the rights and wrongs of exclusive education). Johnson is clever: he might be lazy and unsuited to the job of Prime Minister, and he is not a genius. But he was clever enough to win a scholarship and he is posh , though probably not as posh as Rees Mogg.
 
toto said:
I am sure you will agree that Prince Harry is not representative of the average Eton pupil. My understanding is that Eton is quite competitive to get into (leaving aside the rights and wrongs of exclusive education). Johnson is clever: he might be lazy and unsuited to the job of Prime Minister, and he is not a genius. But he was clever enough to win a scholarship and he is posh , though probably not as posh as Rees Mogg.
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Rees-Mogg comes across as a quasi-twit. With him, it's just a carefully cultivated image.

I was Middlesex-educated and it was always assumed Harrow was the par exemplor that my grammar school emulated in terms of building design (fancy cloisters, court yard and extensive playing fields), curriculum and accent.

People like Rees-Mogg are Lord Snooty caricatures from the Beano and would have been seriously mocked at my school.
 
Vixen said:
I was Middlesex-educated and it was always assumed Harrow was the par exemplor that my grammar school emulated in terms of building design (fancy cloisters, court yard and extensive playing fields), curriculum and accent.
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So was I for a few years (LB of Harrow anyway). Nobody in the state sector in my experience ever mentioned the school up the hill.

But age 14-17 I moved to a school in Baker Street (so took the Met line), it was the only school I ever attended that I liked. It was all girls they didn't mention Harrow School much either
 
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"Sup up your beer and collect your fags
There's a row going on down near slough "
 
Boris now singing President Trump's praises to the rafters - well that's a change of tune.

Birds of a feather and all that :(
 
Vixen said:
Rees-Mogg comes across as a quasi-twit. With him, it's just a carefully cultivated image.

I was Middlesex-educated and it was always assumed Harrow was the par exemplor that my grammar school emulated in terms of building design (fancy cloisters, court yard and extensive playing fields), curriculum and accent.

People like Rees-Mogg are Lord Snooty caricatures from the Beano and would have been seriously mocked at my school.
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I do not want to appear to defend Rees-Mogg, but I do not think he is a twit at all, although I concede you are saying he comes across as one, which is not quite the same thing. He might cultivate his image but it is not just that , he was probably very much influenced by his father, a former editor of The Times, and who was himself had old fashioned tastes. There is no denying his privileged upbringing.
 
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Francesca R said:
So was I for a few years (LB of Harrow anyway). Nobody in the state sector in my experience ever mentioned the school up the hill.

But age 14-17 I moved to a school in Baker Street (so took the Met line), it was the only school I ever attended that I liked. It was all girls they didn't mention Harrow School much either
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If you attended Orange Hill, we might have played you at hockey.
 
That's Barnet I think.

Anyway no, somewhere much more "common people". Hockey wasn't a thing.

(It was at the Regents Park joint)
 
Boris interview on Sky News, asked about his spending plans and plans to cut taxes.
Boris Johnson responds "as the great Tunisian scholar and sage Ibn Khaldun pointed out as early as the 14th century, there are plenty of taxes that you can cut which will actually increase your revenues"

This is his usual tactic of referencing a historical figure that he thinks the audience don't know anything about to avoid scrutiny and appear intelligent, while actually giving zero insight into either the historical event or the modern parallel he's trying to make.

Ibn Khaldun was talking about monarchs and how it is best for them to pile taxation on to the start of their reign to allow for their reduction later to make the ruler appear benevolent.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Boris interview on Sky News, asked about his spending plans and plans to cut taxes.
Boris Johnson responds "as the great Tunisian scholar and sage Ibn Khaldun pointed out as early as the 14th century, there are plenty of taxes that you can cut which will actually increase your revenues"

This is his usual tactic of referencing a historical figure that he thinks the audience don't know anything about to avoid scrutiny and appear intelligent, while actually giving zero insight into either the historical event or the modern parallel he's trying to make.

Ibn Khaldun was talking about monarchs and how it is best for them to pile taxation on to the start of their reign to allow for their reduction later to make the ruler appear benevolent.
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When the interviewer asked whether he intended to increase borrowing he ducked and he dived. After asking him for about the third or fourth time, he came out with some tosh about how it's good to borrow when interest rates were low
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Boris interview on Sky News, asked about his spending plans and plans to cut taxes.
Boris Johnson responds "as the great Tunisian scholar and sage Ibn Khaldun pointed out as early as the 14th century, there are plenty of taxes that you can cut which will actually increase your revenues"

This is his usual tactic of referencing a historical figure that he thinks the audience don't know anything about to avoid scrutiny and appear intelligent, while actually giving zero insight into either the historical event or the modern parallel he's trying to make.

Ibn Khaldun was talking about monarchs and how it is best for them to pile taxation on to the start of their reign to allow for their reduction later to make the ruler appear benevolent.
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Given that the great criticism of Corbyn is that he's stuck in the thinking of the 1970's it's ******* hilarious that he's faced by Rees-Mogg who rafely looks past the 1870s and now Boris is looking to C14!
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Given that the great criticism of Corbyn is that he's stuck in the thinking of the 1970's it's ******* hilarious that he's faced by Rees-Mogg who rafely looks past the 1870s and now Boris is looking to C14!
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Given the reviews of his book it would seem Rees-Mogg rarely looks past his imaginations of the 1870s!
 
Darat said:
Given the reviews of his book it would seem Rees-Mogg rarely looks past his imaginations of the 1870s!
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Well, I didn't want to comment too much on the contents of his book seeing as how I haven't read it and neither has anyone else!

How ironic that the arch leaver is heading for remainder..
 
Vixen said:
The Lords has already rushed through a statutory instrument that bars a 'no-deal'.
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And what, precisely, is the legal effect of that?

In order to prevent a 'no-deal' exit, my understanding is that Article 50 needs to be revoked; i.e. action needs to be taken to prevent it happening.
 
Francesca R said:
. . . . Or a deal or an extension
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An extension doesn't prevent a no-deal, it just delays it. If an extension is granted, unless a deal is made, Article 50 is revoked or yet another extension is granted (in which case rinse and repeat), a no-deal will happen at the end of the extension period.
 
Vixen said:
The Lords has already rushed through a statutory instrument that bars a 'no-deal'.

The government doesn't have a majority, with the DUP refusing to move on the Irish border issue and intra-party conflict.
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How does any of that result in a vote that actually forces the government to accept mays deal or revoke article 50?
 
ponderingturtle said:
How does any of that result in a vote that actually forces the government to accept mays deal or revoke article 50?
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ISTM the only way out of the entire impasse is a General Election.

In the meantime we have to tolerate the Tory Party piddling about with a leadership election, not due to end until 25 July 2019.

Gimme a break!
 
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