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Oscar Pistorius shoots girlfriend - Part 2

A modest woman? She was a model and obviously proud of her body. Among her modeling assignments were those for lingerie (see below) and bikinis. In fact, in reading about her it is hard not to get the idea that she was probably murdered deliberately by Oscar Pistorius.

Pistorius was known for having a fascination with handguns and had used them recklessly in the past. He could be bad-tempered, he had an anxiety disorder. Steenkamp told her mother there were times she was afraid of him. That they fought constantly. Pistorius is facing a 10-15 year prison sentence. He'll be out before he's forty-five. He can pick up his life and go on.

Steenkamp's modeling and television career had been going very well, she had a law degree to fall back on. She was gritty; in her early 20s she broke her back when she fell from a horse she was riding and had to learn to walk again. She deserved an infinitely better fate than what she got.

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You agree that OJ Simpson killed his ex-wife?
There are others such as former assistant Attorney General Thomas Capano who killed his mistress.
 
I will argue that the evidence used against him was BS even if he was probably guilty.

Funnily enough, I reckon you could actually make a case for Crippen.

It's ok though - I'm not going to!

.... four hollow-point bullets fired ....

Yet you defend him with vigour.

All I can is thank christ the appeal court isn't full of morons. In my view, little Oscar should have pled insanity.

You agree that OJ Simpson killed his ex-wife?

That would be a good subject to resurrect; there must be threads on it. I have no idea - I know three things about OJ & his murder trial:

1 He was found not guilty
2 The glove didn't fit
3 His lawyer is the reason the Kardashians are known outside of places where revolting things live under rocks
 
There have been a number of famous people who have committed murder even when their star seems to be still rising . . . Don't see why Oscar Pistorius would be any different.
 
There have been a number of famous people who have committed murder even when their star seems to be still rising . . . Don't see why Oscar Pistorius would be any different.
Who?
 
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Hmm, some names:
Michael Jace, Rae Carruth, Michael Brae, Sid Vicious, Robert Blake, Phil Spector, Gig Young, Aaron Hernandez, and Fay DeWitt
Ok this should be easy. None of them will be quite like Pistorius :D
 
Yep. Bravo to the RSA Court of Appeal.

I hope he rots there, although I bet there is very strong favourable sentiment towards him by white prison guards at the very least.
 
Yep. Bravo to the RSA Court of Appeal.

I hope he rots there, although I bet there is very strong favourable sentiment towards him by white prison guards at the very least.
Clearly you missed the punchline. Wise judge Masipa has total control.
 
Utter rot. Masipa was wrong. The end of the line for Oscar, and justice for Reeva. 15 years hard time for the murderer.
As always I respectfully disagree.
However, minds are seldom changed in these discussions, but I am sure that he thought he was shooting at an intruder, and whatever term you choose, murder, homicide, self defence is up to the individual.
 
As always I respectfully disagree.
However, minds are seldom changed in these discussions, but I am sure that he thought he was shooting at an intruder, and whatever term you choose, murder, homicide, self defence is up to the individual.


Well no - "whatever term you choose" is up to legislation and to the way that legislation is enforced. Otherwise it would be a mad free-for-all, where anything could be categorisable as "self-defence" or even "accident".

And I'm not sure you understand the conviction either. In fact, the conviction is agnostic on who Pistorius thought he was shooting at. The murder conviction comes because regardless of who Pistorius genuinely did think he was shooting at, he a) was not acting in self-defence as the law defines it, b) deliberately aimed and fired the shots through the closed door, knowing there to be a human on the other side of the door, and c) had to have known that his deliberate act was likely to have caused the death or very serious injury of whoever was behind that door.

It's on that last point that Masipa made such a dreadful error in law in her original erroneous verdict - one which the SC (and now the CC) corrected. And Masipa is bound by law to apply the appropriate sentence for a murder conviction of this nature - so I think you're also wrong to imply that she might somehow impose a lenient sentence.

Personally, I think (and I believe the SC and CC probably think) that the only rational narrative that fits all the available evidence (and lack of evidence) is that Pistorius knowingly fired at Steenkamp that night - and that the "intruder" story is a) incompatible with the totality of the evidence, and b) a hasty concoction by Pistorius to try to justify his actions. But it's critical to understand that this case was NEVER about determining whether or not Pistorius knew it was Steenkamp behind the door - and thus the state never even needed to set out to prove that in any way. The point is that Pistorius knew - by his own admission - that there was a human behind that door, in a very small toilet room whose layout and dimensions Pistorius knew very well. Pistorius therefore had to have known that when he raised, aimed and fired his powerful handgun through the door, the military ammunition (which he knew the gun was loaded with) would almost certainly hit whoever was behind the door, with a high possibility of a fatal outcome. And regardless of whether Pistorius truly believed it was Steenkamp or an intruder behind that door, Pistorius cannot have been in imminent mortal danger at that point. He himself admitted that the door never opened - that he reacted simply to "a noise" from within the toilet. And by definition (since in fact it was Steenkamp behind the door), Pistorius cannot have heard any vocal threats from a mythical intruder, nor can he even have had any reason to believe that the person behind the door was armed.

So I very very strongly believe that the murder conviction against Pistorius was justified and appropriate. I hope that he will serve his punishment quietly and diligently, and that he'll make efforts to rehabilitate himself and reform himself. In this instance, I also happen to think that there's a strong "public protection" element to his inevitable long incarceration - I think he genuinely would pose a significant threat were he to remain within the community without any punishment, reform or rehabilitation.

All very sad. And all very disquieting, by the way, to read the "sceptics" here making rabid comments along the lines of "I hope he rots" and so on. Shame.
 
... but I am sure that he thought he was shooting at an intruder,...

Love your confidence!

All very sad. And all very disquieting, by the way, to read the "sceptics" here making rabid comments along the lines of "I hope he rots" and so on. Shame.

I hope you're not including me in that, because I don't identify as a sceptic.

I'm also happy to stand by the "rotting in jail".

This isn't some sad event - this is a bloke who has killed a beautiful young woman in a fit of pique*, then tried to manipulate everyone around him, creating a coldly calculated sympathetic figure to preserve his place at the head of Afrikaner pride. Throwing up in court was supposed to be the master stroke no doubt. The trial judge bought it to the extent that she clearly subverted South African law with her judgement.

Lots of people are disabled; few are crippled, and Oscar is clearly one of those.

*Most likely because Rena was moving on to a bloke with the usual number of legs.
 
I would far prefer Steenkamp was alive and Pistorius never fired into the bathroom.
 
Me too, but since that can't happen, locking Oscar up for a very long time would be appropriate.
 

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