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Oriana Fallaci has died

She was a very controversial journalist. I remember there was a big fuss in the last years about an article she wrote against Muslims. But I can´t find it.

Anyway, she was also in Mexico City during the students massacre in 1968. She is well remembered and respected by her account of that event.
Did she really die?, where is the source?
 
She was a very controversial journalist. I remember there was a big fuss in the last years about an article she wrote against Muslims. But I can´t find it.

Anyway, she was also in Mexico City during the students massacre in 1968. She is well remembered and respected by her account of that event.
Did she really die?, where is the source?

Yahoo news
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060915...ShBm.3QA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-

Seattle PI:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Obit_Fallaci.html
 
Just put our copies of The Rage and the Pride on display. Most of her books fall in another department. Can't say I agreed with her on a lot of things, but I truly respected her writing and point of view.
 
She was a very controversial journalist. I remember there was a big fuss in the last years about an article she wrote against Muslims. But I can´t find it.

Oh, there was more than a fuss, though I think it mostly centered around a book (not an article) titled The Force of Reason. She was put on trial for blasphemy in Italy because of what she wrote:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,1796161,00.html
That she could be tried for blasphemy is shameful, to put it mildly. I don't think the trial reached a verdict, and I suspect it won't now that she's dead. She deserved to have her name cleared.

Did she really die?, where is the source?

http://www.pajamasmedia.com/2006/09/in_memoriam.php
 
You lose this debate.

Argument by Oriana Fallaci.

(Sorry, thought someone had to say it. I didn't even know of her. Sorry, again.)
 
the guardian said:
She said in an interview two weeks ago with the New Yorker magazine that she would not stop expressing her views, adding that a mosque that is being built in Siena should be blown up.
Her pieces on Eurabia are entertaining, I must admit. I agree with her assertion that Europe need not suffer a second Muslim invasion without a fight. I recall a few articles under her byline regarding the Bosnian Muslims as pawns for an Arab infestation of Southern Europe. It's been a few years, memory fuzzy.

DR
 
"She spent the last years of her life in New York, where she lived for several years with lung cancer, which she referred to as "the Other One" in her most recent books. She returned to Italy before dying of cancer in a hospital in her native Florence on the night between the 14th and the 15th of September 2006.[2][3]"

What is that thinggy she has in her hand?
 

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In 2002 in Switzerland the Islamic Center and the Somal Association of Geneva, SOS Racisme of Lausanne, along with a private citizen, sued her for the supposedly racist content of The Rage and The Pride.[10][11] In November 2002 a Swiss judge issued an arrest warrant for violations of article 261 and 261 bis of the Swiss criminal code and requested the Italian government to either try or extradite her. Roberto Castelli, Italian minister of Justice mentioned this fact in an interview broadcasted by Radio Padania affirming that the Constitution of Italy protects freedom of speech and thus the extradition request had to be rejected; the episode is mentioned in her book The Force of Reason.[12]

In May 2005, Adel Smith, president of the Union of Italian Muslims, launched a lawsuit against Fallaci charging that "some of the things she said in her book The Force of Reason are offensive to Islam." Smith's attorney, Matteo Nicoli, cited a phrase from the book that refers to Islam as "a pool that never purifies." Consequently an Italian judge ordered her to stand trial set for June 2006 in Bergamo on charges of "defaming Islam." A previous prosecutor had sought dismissal of the charges. The preliminary trial began on 12 June in Bergamo and on 25 June Judge Beatrice Siccardi decided that Oriana Fallaci should indeed stand trial beginning on 18 December.[13] Fallaci accused the judge of having disregarded the fact that Smith called for her murder and defamed Christianity. [1]

Defame Islam? Defame Christianity? How can you defame fraudulent mass-delusions?

Oops, I'd better not set foot in continents without freedom of speech.
 
She was put on trial for blasphemy in Italy because of what she wrote:
http://books.guardian.co.uk/news/articles/0,,1796161,00.html
That she could be tried for blasphemy is shameful, to put it mildly. I don't think the trial reached a verdict, and I suspect it won't now that she's dead. She deserved to have her name cleared.

No, people who think it should be OK to make blasphemy or "defaming" a religion illegal should be dragged into the street and a bullet put through their head, then the head cut off and put on a stick so people will learn not to do that.
 
That she could be tried for blasphemy is shameful, to put it mildly. I don't think the trial reached a verdict, and I suspect it won't now that she's dead. She deserved to have her name cleared.

She was not on trial for blasphemy, technically speaking. She was on trial for a modern version of this thought crime--for "offending Islam", due to statements made in her book "The Rage and the Pride". The reason was not that there's a law making offending Islam in particular illegal, but an (equally outrageous) law making offending all religions criminal in Italy.

The person who brought the suit against her, Adel Smith, an Italian convert to Islam, was himself sentenced to six months in jail for calling the Catholic Church "a criminal orgnaization" and Pope John Paul II "a deciever" in a TV broadcast. I guess he brought a suit against Fallaci under the "two can play that game" principle.

Apparently, it is illegal today to have unpopular opinions in Europe. In 2002, a Swiss judge requested that Fallaci be extradited to Switzerland to stand trial for "public incitement of racial hatered or discrimination", which she apparently broke by publishing "The Rage and the Pride". That Fallaci was not a Swiss citizen, or that she has the right for freedom of speech, apparently meant nothing to the judge. To their credit, the Italian minister of justice noted that the Italian constitution guarantees freedom of speech, and therefore she will not be extradited. With her trial in Italy, one wonders if that's still true.

Frankly, if one must choose between the crime of "blasphemy" and the crime of "Insulting religion", I would prefer blasphemy to be illegal. At least blasphemy is made illegal due to the belief that the religions one disrespects is the true religion and that the purpose of the law is to prevent people from falling into error and thus going to hell: there was a serious purpose behind it, no matter how wrong the world view it's based on might be.

The "insulting religion" crime, on the other hand, is not based on any religious belief--the EU beaurocrats and politicians who pass such laws are, for the most part, atheists or vaguely agnostic. It is based on the two conflicting ideas that (a) all religions are equally nonsenseical metaphysics, but also that (b) somehow, pointing out religious nonsense is taboo simply because it might insult the people who believe in it.

But if it is not the validity of the criticism, but merely that it is insulting, which makes it illegal, why not make insulting people's favorite soccer team or brand of beer illegal as well? Many people take their sports teams and beer far more seriously than they take their religion in Europe nowadays.
 
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Frankly, if one must choose between the crime of "blasphemy" and the crime of "Insulting religion", I would prefer blasphemy to be illegal. At least blasphemy is made illegal due to the belief that the religions one disrespects is the true religion and that the purpose of the law is to prevent people from falling into error and thus going to hell: there was a serious purpose behind it, no matter how wrong the world view it's based on might be.

The "insulting religion" crime, on the other hand, is not based on any religious belief--the EU beaurocrats and politicians who pass such laws are, for the most part, atheists or vaguely agnostic. It is based on the two conflicting ideas that (a) all religions are equally nonsenseical metaphysics, but also that (b) somehow, pointing out religious nonsense is taboo simply because it might insult the people who believe in it.

But if it is not the validity of the criticism, but merely that it is insulting, which makes it illegal, why not make insulting people's favorite soccer team or brand of beer illegal as well? Many people take their sports teams and beer far more seriously than they take their religion in Europe nowadays.
I nominated the last three paragraphs of that post.

DR
 
"She spent the last years of her life in New York, where she lived for several years with lung cancer, which she referred to as "the Other One" in her most recent books. She returned to Italy before dying of cancer in a hospital in her native Florence on the night between the 14th and the 15th of September 2006.[2][3]"

What is that thinggy she has in her hand?

Is she giving us the shocker?
 

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