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Oregon Prisoners get Flat-Screen TVs....

$300 for a 7 inch TV that can be taken away shoudl he misbehave??? Whats the big deal.

Instead of thinking about the prisoners think about the guards. If these lifers have no incentive to behave the prison would be a powderkeg.........more so. Do you want daily riots? Increased costs for the Dept of Corrections??
 
Suddenly said:
No amount of miniscule TVs or other token items are going to make up having your freedom and privacy almost completely taken away, and being locked in a place where violent men are experiencing the same crisis and looking for a way to try to establish dignity and control.

Ah, well, that's the ticket, innit? Being victimized by the most violent offenders is considered part of the punishment, and it is permitted by those people we "should" let run the prisons. Of course, it isn't the most violent offenders who get hurt by this, but then again, I guess that's in line with current Right Thinking™ too?

As far as television itself goes, the prison system does seem to try to reward people with privileges for good behavior.

It's not too surprising, either. When I went to public school in New York, I was systematically abused by bullies. It usually went like this. Some bully would act out against me for a several weeks. (None of the teachers, of course, ever did anything.) Eventually, I would get tired of this and lose my temper. This would usually end with my victimizer on the ground, with me sitting on top of him, preventing him from moving, until someone came to take him away.

Usually, this worked out pretty well. But occasionally, it didn't, because the "counsellor" was in cahoots with the bully. I remember one particularly egregious bully who threw me to a wall after a couple of months of abuse. I lost my temper. A few minutes later, he was on the ground with me sitting on him.

Then, later, I got called in. While I was being interrogated, my victimizer was doing office chores for the interrogator. Some nice buddy buddy rehabilitation scheme. So, I got another appointment with my father present. My father had the same build that I do now. Big. The interrogator changed his tune pretty quickly.

It turned out OK, because my victimizer stayed away from me. Also, I had given him a rather impressive black eye. However, nowadays, with this "zero tolerance" crap, I'm absolutely certain that I would have been expelled, and my vicimizer would have gotten the Platinum BJ™

That taught me great lessons.

That's the kind of guy who grows up to administer prisons. Cops & robbers; it's all the same. The cops are always going to arrest the innocent party if they have a choice. In the prisons, the biggest bad-ass is usually the warden, but his lieutenant bad-ass is usually an inmate. Lawyers and judges and cops practically give each other oral sex before any engagement in which they're supposed to play their roles in a system of "justice." (At least lawyers, though, are legal to bribe. If you have enough money.)
 
Suddenly said:


I don't. It just is an arbitrary cutoff.

There is nothing "arbitrary" about the distinction between murder and other crimes.

You've got to be kidding.
 
Well, it just so happens I do volunteer work in a medium security federal prison in Oregon, but not the state prison in the article.

These prisons are not "resorts". Not by a long shot. The one I volunteer at is considered heaven by any inmate who has been elsewhere just for the fact someone isn't stabbed every other day, and there is actual grass and trees on the premises.

They do have fights on a regular basis over television. And they have gang riots every so often. But I've done volunteer work in worse places.

Federal prisoners no longer have weights to work out with because the outside world was worried about convicts bulking themselves up and being a bigger menance (literally) when they got out.

Personally, I like the idea of turning iron-pumping convicts into couch potatoes.
 
Scene: Prison cafeteria. Bubba is hunched over his meal tray, crying silently. His cellie is patting him gently on the back.

Guard: What's wrong with Bubba?

Cellie: Dr. Kildare wasn't able to operate on Susan's brain tumor and had to give her the bad news she only has three months to live...
 
TV can be used as a rehab tool. The prison could limit the channels or control whats shown.

Force them to watch that god awful (pun intended) religious station. If the 700 CLub is not punishment I dont know what is!!:p
 
Tmy said:
TV can be used as a rehab tool. The prison could limit the channels or control whats shown.

Force them to watch that god awful (pun intended) religious station. If the 700 CLub is not punishment I dont know what is!!:p

Endless reruns of Friends?
 
AS long as they are paying for it witht heir own money I don't have a problem with this. Especially since I also remember hearing that part of the reason for this is safety, regular TV's have parts that can be fashioned into weapons.
 
You have to ask yourself, what are they being punished for.

Uhhh.... breaking the law?

Just a guess.

The majority of prison inmates are not there for violent crime. Many of them are just junkies, poor people, etc.

Yes, as we all know, being poor is a punishable offense in the USA.
 
I don't think denying my cousin TV privileges would have helped to make him a better person.

Prison is not there to "make you a better person". Why is there such concern with making the murderer a "better person" but none with the victim's family?
 
Nyarlathotep said:
AS long as they are paying for it witht heir own money I don't have a problem with this. Especially since I also remember hearing that part of the reason for this is safety, regular TV's have parts that can be fashioned into weapons.

You'd be amazed at the ingenuity of prisoners. At the prison I go to, we aren't allowed to bring our car alarm remotes in with us because some inmates figured out a way to rig them to override the security systems! We can't bring in a disposable lighter because they blew up a car with one! The guards have to have special covers over the keys on their belts because an inmate can make a duplicate just by looking at one. They make tatoo guns out of a walkman motor and a paper clip and use a checker for ink.

Regular McGuyvers, these guys.
 
Luke T. said:


You'd be amazed at the ingenuity of prisoners. At the prison I go to, we aren't allowed to bring our car alarm remotes in with us because some inmates figured out a way to rig them to override the security systems! We can't bring in a disposable lighter because they blew up a car with one! The guards have to have special covers over the keys on their belts because an inmate can make a duplicate just by looking at one. They make tatoo guns out of a walkman motor and a paper clip and use a checker for ink.

Regular McGuyvers, these guys.

And yet somehow the most they can make out of their lives is to end up in jail.

Graham
 
Luke T. said:
You'd be amazed at the ingenuity of prisoners. At the prison I go to, we aren't allowed to bring our car alarm remotes in with us because some inmates figured out a way to rig them to override the security systems! We can't bring in a disposable lighter because they blew up a car with one! The guards have to have special covers over the keys on their belts because an inmate can make a duplicate just by looking at one. They make tatoo guns out of a walkman motor and a paper clip and use a checker for ink.

Regular McGuyvers, these guys.

Well, flat-screen TVs have a panel of glass, which is pretty good as a weapon.
 
Prison is not there to "make you a better person". Why is there such concern with making the murderer a "better person" but none with the victim's family?

If there is a low-cost way to measureably reduce the possibility that the prisoner does not commit the same crime when he or she leaves prison, then it is most often money well spent. If the cost to society, to future victims and to taxpayers is reduced through a training program or education program then I say implement it and monitor its impact. The punishment aspect of prison is not reduced by letting a prisoner talk to a therapist, a GED teacher, a machinist, or an alcoholism counselor.
 
Graham said:


And yet somehow the most they can make out of their lives is to end up in jail.

Graham

What was that movie? "Nothing worse than wasted talent."
 
epepke said:


Well, flat-screen TVs have a panel of glass, which is pretty good as a weapon.

Yep. But then no more TV. They might be less prone to destroy something they had to pay for out of their own pitiful wages.
 
Luke T. said:


You'd be amazed at the ingenuity of prisoners. At the prison I go to, we aren't allowed to bring our car alarm remotes in with us because some inmates figured out a way to rig them to override the security systems! We can't bring in a disposable lighter because they blew up a car with one! The guards have to have special covers over the keys on their belts because an inmate can make a duplicate just by looking at one. They make tatoo guns out of a walkman motor and a paper clip and use a checker for ink.

Regular McGuyvers, these guys.

I have never been to prison myself but I was watching a documentary on San Quentin last night and they showed some of the weapons the guards had consfiscated over the years. They are amazingly clever. My personal favorite was the spear made from a piece of scrap metal and tightly rolled and wetted newspaper for the handle. If only these guys could put that ingenuity to good use....
 
Ladewig said:


If there is a low-cost way to measureably reduce the possibility that the prisoner does not commit the same crime when he or she leaves prison, then it is most often money well spent. If the cost to society, to future victims and to taxpayers is reduced through a training program or education program then I say implement it and monitor its impact. The punishment aspect of prison is not reduced by letting a prisoner talk to a therapist, a GED teacher, a machinist, or an alcoholism counselor.

Exactly. Get a man off drugs and alcohol who is addicted to them, then he will most likely give up crime for good. That is why I am there, and I have seen it work.
 
Luke T. said:


Yep. But then no more TV. They might be less prone to destroy something they had to pay for out of their own pitiful wages.

But in context with respect to the original claim, taking parts out of a non-flat-screen TV doesn't make it work so hot, either.
 

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